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00:00:29 *: danielpbarron still has 2 un-opened pogos

00:00:56 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: repopulate the ports in at least one

00:01:05 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: very hard to do serious dev work w/out console

00:01:19 asciilifeform: (see old thread for where/what/how)

00:01:38 asciilifeform: at the minimum, you will need to solder 3 contacts (rx, tx, gnd)

00:02:05 asciilifeform: signal is ttl level, not rs232 though

00:02:18 danielpbarron: just gotta learn how to solder :p

00:02:23 danielpbarron: luckily, i know a guy

00:02:45 asciilifeform: you will need one of these http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/Hardware/CP210xTutorial or equivalent.

00:02:46 assbot: Hardware/CP210xTutorial – OsmocomBB ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrWsso )

00:02:54 *: asciilifeform has ^

00:03:14 asciilifeform: even if your machine has an actual serial port.

00:03:35 asciilifeform: (the latter have rs232 logic levels. will cook a gadget that expects 0/5v)

00:04:15 cazalla: mircea_popescu, what i don't get is that on reddit, you see the idea of a paywall and microtransactions always discussed as bitcoin's killer app and yet when they come across it being implemented, they cry scam

00:05:24 danielpbarron: if done in node.js -> not scam

00:06:43 *: asciilifeform believed, at one point, that the existence of braindamaged programming languages is not a total evil, as they draw mentally defective folks away from actual programming. but, after reading, e.g., the work of the 'power rangers', - is not so sure.

00:26:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42615 @ 0.00036859 = 15.7075 BTC [+]

00:29:39 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/qntra-s-qntr-january-2015-statement/

00:32:33 BingoBoingo: Slow month

00:32:52 BingoBoingo: Except for eyeballs

00:33:23 cazalla: i guess so but first 2 weeks of jan were slow just as the last 2 weeks of december were

00:33:59 cazalla: but i think we've also refined the type of content we publish over the past few months

00:37:18 BingoBoingo: Also, puppies https://s3.amazonaws.com/static.tumblr.com/q8dfwso/cTOm7x5ih/puppies.gif

00:37:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAz3Ly )

00:53:33 asciilifeform: danielpbarron, anyone else having trouble with cross-compilation - 'buildroot' will build, among other necessary things, the toolchain.

00:54:35 asciilifeform: ('buildroot' is the ubiquitous automaton for baking small embedded linux boxen)

00:54:40 ben_vulpes: ;;ping

00:54:41 gribble: pong

00:55:03 BingoBoingo: ;;kittenlasers

00:55:03 gribble: Error: "kittenlasers" is not a valid command.

00:55:38 danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/onthefrynge/status/561685769094320129

00:55:40 assbot: Trader Life /whaleclubco http://t.co/f2Ws58HqL6

00:56:16 BingoBoingo: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/31/ye_olde_laptoppe_is_back_after_byod_backlash/

00:56:17 assbot: BYOD is NOT the Next Biggest Thing™: Bring me Ye Olde Lappetoppe • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1uO1HO7 )

00:56:19 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: reminds me of the centerfolds in knuth's aop.

00:59:15 BingoBoingo: !up teward

00:59:30 teward: so i learned something - assbot doesn't realize I have +2 level2 rep with it o.o

00:59:35 *: teward glares at kakobrekla then says "fix the bot"

00:59:41 teward: BingoBoingo: thank you kindly

01:00:00 BingoBoingo: ;;ident teward

01:00:00 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'teward', with hostmask 'teward!LordOfTime@ubuntu/member/teward', is identified as user 'TheLordOfTime', with GPG key id 406253859C1129B6, key fingerprint FE87E56959370E1989828103406253859C1129B6, and bitcoin address 1LEKacNEUzD4gStZScnG2vgkQ9HmpMz1Kp

01:00:12 teward: ;;gettrust assbot [ident teward]

01:00:12 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask teward!LordOfTime@ubuntu/member/teward. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TheLordOfTime: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TheLordOfTime | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TheLordOfTime | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 15:22:44 2013

01:00:15 teward: ^

01:00:29 teward: assuming the bot actually checks ident of a user

01:00:34 teward: if it doesn't it needs retooled

01:00:46 BingoBoingo: !gettrust assbot teward

01:00:47 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user teward: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/teward | http://w.b-a.link/user/teward

01:00:54 teward: BingoBoingo: teward being my altnick

01:00:57 teward: this *used* to work actually

01:01:04 BingoBoingo: !gettrust assbot LordofTime

01:01:04 assbot: LordofTime is not registered in WoT.

01:01:15 teward: TheLordOfTime

01:01:18 teward: check my ident

01:01:25 teward: ;;ident

01:01:25 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'teward', with hostmask 'teward!LordOfTime@ubuntu/member/teward', is identified as user 'TheLordOfTime', with GPG key id 406253859C1129B6, key fingerprint FE87E56959370E1989828103406253859C1129B6, and bitcoin address 1LEKacNEUzD4gStZScnG2vgkQ9HmpMz1Kp

01:01:33 BingoBoingo: !gettrust assbot TheLordOfTime

01:01:34 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user TheLordOfTime: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/TheLordOfTime | http://w.b-a.link/user/TheLordOfTime

01:01:50 BingoBoingo: teward: You should be able to !up under that name

01:02:09 asciilifeform: anybody here ever try 'hoard' ?

01:02:13 teward: BingoBoingo: and it says I can't

01:02:14 asciilifeform: http://people.cs.umass.edu/~emery/hoard/hoard-documentation.html

01:02:15 assbot: The Hoard Memory Allocator ... ( http://bit.ly/1uO2yhV )

01:02:27 teward: BingoBoingo:

01:02:27 teward: [15/01/31 19:56:11] <teward> !up

01:02:27 teward: [15/01/31 19:56:12] <assbot> You need a better WoT rating for self-up. (level 2 with assbot >0)

01:02:32 teward: as i said, the bot is broke

01:02:37 BingoBoingo: teward: Have you tried wearing that nick while asking assbot !up

01:02:46 teward: BingoBoingo: can't - 150+ channels would be screaming

01:03:45 BingoBoingo: Now what happens when !up

01:03:45 BingoBoingo: !up TheLordOfTime

01:03:58 Guest18566: BingoBoingo: NOW it wants me to auth with it...

01:04:02 Guest18566: wtf i ident'd

01:04:29 asciilifeform: incidentally, classic: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/linus

01:04:30 assbot: Linus Torvalds on C++ ... ( http://bit.ly/1uO2Pl2 )

01:04:34 Guest18566: wait

01:04:35 BingoBoingo: You ident directly with assbot nao. Because of gribble's vacation http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

01:04:36 assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIPF03 )

01:04:42 Guest18566: BigBitz: someone stole my nick...

01:04:44 Guest18566: this is a problem

01:04:58 BingoBoingo: It sounds like lots of problems

01:05:09 Guest18566: BingoBoingo: [15/01/31 20:04:47] -NickServ- Information on thelordoftime (account thetimelord): <-- musta expired

01:05:14 asciilifeform: 'In other words: the choice of C is the only sane choice. I know Miles Bader jokingly said "to piss you off", but it's actually true. I've come to the conclusion that any programmer that would prefer the project to be in C++ over C is likely a programmer that I really *would* prefer to piss off, so that he doesn't come and screw up any project I'm involved with.'

01:05:18 teward: BingoBoingo: sounds like I need to rape freenode with a stick again

01:05:29 asciilifeform: ^ linus understood that language is a people-filter, just like gpg etc

01:05:45 teward: BingoBoingo: if that's a new thing, then the webpage needs updated

01:05:49 teward: and i'll yell at kakobrekla later

01:06:06 teward: can't auth as a nick that was stolen from me

01:06:08 kakobrekla: no need to wait.

01:06:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00037089 = 10.2551 BTC [+]

01:06:59 teward: kakobrekla: unfortunately TheLordOfTime, my gribble auth nick, is stolen - must have expired and been taken

01:07:02 teward: but now i can't !up

01:07:09 teward: since !up now binds to your own auth mech

01:07:15 teward: rather than gribble auth

01:07:41 teward: and since the nick i auth up as in otc was taken, there's a problem

01:08:15 teward: got the pgp key for 'teward' but if your bot fails to recognize master/alt nicks... well...

01:08:27 teward: yer gonna have people like me bringing hell

01:08:45 kakobrekla: how?

01:09:13 teward: kakobrekla: probably nickserv expiry - haven't used that nick in eons

01:09:22 teward: but 9 weeks ago was when it was 'registered' by someone

01:09:32 teward: tryin to hunt down an irc staffer to figure out what happened

01:10:32 kakobrekla: 2 options, new asswot handle or change of nick in asswot. re second one im not sure; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998953

01:10:32 assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 21:27:59; kakobrekla: i know changing names is not a good practice, but perhaps for the sake of sync we could allow to update your name once (given properly signed request from adequate gpg key)

01:11:15 punkman: why not optional wotnick parameter when using commands?

01:12:18 kakobrekla: because split personalities belong to #bitcoin-insane-asylum

01:12:26 asciilifeform: !b 2

01:12:27 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/203THVZ.txt )

01:13:25 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/assorted-fruits/

01:13:26 assbot: Assorted Fruits of Wrath ... ( http://bit.ly/16ddkZJ )

01:22:12 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

01:22:23 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 219.89, vol: 19331.99594995 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 214.25, vol: 9648.99936 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 217.65, vol: 50514.45642919 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 216.9872, vol: 202498.01690000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 216.14762, vol: 13.85219609 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 231.3425, vol: 106.73912136 | Volume-weighted last average: 217.216565742

01:25:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59841 @ 0.00037247 = 22.289 BTC [+] {2}

01:28:37 BingoBoingo: !up flibbr

01:38:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6688 @ 0.00097658 = 6.5314 BTC [+] {12}

01:39:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2030 @ 0.00098946 = 2.0086 BTC [+] {3}

01:44:03 mircea_popescu: !up teward

01:44:03 mircea_popescu: !up flibbr

01:50:37 danielpbarron: hi flibbr

01:50:39 mircea_popescu: cazalla pretty lulzy, that.

01:50:39 mircea_popescu: !up CryptoGoon

01:50:39 mircea_popescu: !up teward

01:50:39 mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot teward

01:50:39 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user teward: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/teward | http://w.b-a.link/user/teward

01:51:09 flibbr: hi

01:52:06 danielpbarron: !gettrust flibbr

01:52:06 assbot: flibbr is not registered in WoT.

01:53:19 mircea_popescu: !rate teward 1 freenode staff

01:53:19 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e67dbb5b71ef7d4f

01:53:32 teward: lol freenode staff

01:53:43 mircea_popescu: did i get it wrong ?

01:53:53 teward: mircea_popescu: bitcoin op, perhaps, not freenode staffer :)

01:54:07 teward: if i were freenode staffer cholby would be getting klined on sight every single time

01:54:15 mircea_popescu: !rate teward 1 guy whose name starts with t.

01:54:15 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5aa1b78f8fe024e2

01:54:18 teward: and then i'd have my oline revoked for overusing /kline xD

01:54:45 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.teward.1:fc509d9d4b7e9bcc7fa8f0b03ff66507e9f975b04b153a5a7b45e4bdf99a6b31

01:54:45 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for teward with note: guy whose name starts with t.

01:54:57 mircea_popescu: who's chlolby

01:55:06 teward: well known freenode troll/spammer/scammer/bitch

01:55:13 mircea_popescu: teward now you can assbot voice, send !up in pm then !v its string

01:55:58 BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uc77p/would_you_crowdfund_bitcoin_wireless/ << How did it take Reddit so long to cut him loose

01:56:01 assbot: Would you crowdfund Bitcoin Wireless? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn45Bt )

01:56:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2550 @ 0.000999 = 2.5475 BTC [+] {2}

01:56:54 mircea_popescu: cazalla: but i think we've also refined the type of content we publish << i guess that's gonna keep getting redefined, iut's what living things do.

01:56:59 teward: there we go

01:57:03 teward: mircea_popescu: this needs documented

01:57:06 mircea_popescu: how do you freenode scam ?!

01:57:10 mircea_popescu: teward "this"

01:57:24 teward: mircea_popescu: the auth process for unfamiliar people :)

01:57:37 *: teward was unaware of the switch to internal auth mechanisms

01:57:53 teward: and 'scammer' in that he tries to impersonate staff when he's really bored

01:57:54 mircea_popescu: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

01:57:55 assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn4pjB )

01:57:57 teward: ends up 'scamming' users into things

01:58:02 mircea_popescu: heh

01:58:43 thestringpuller: lol ryanxcharles, bitcoin should be written in node.js

02:05:06 mircea_popescu: "The devs have a mandate."

02:05:11 mircea_popescu: ajhahahaha dude!

02:05:22 mircea_popescu: usg comedy hour is best comedy hour!

02:06:08 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uadvd/the_real_reason_ryan_charles_was_fired_from/

02:06:11 assbot: The real reason Ryan Charles was fired from reddit: he spent the entire duration of his employment working on a port of bitcoin core to Javascript. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn66NU )

02:06:56 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Yeah, just dunno how that qualifies him to say Bitcoin companie should just stop competing with each other and then dissolve when they solve their problems

02:07:19 mircea_popescu: eh, kids with shoulds.

02:07:40 danielpbarron: "what's your business plan?" "to go out of business in a few years"

02:07:51 danielpbarron: it's not a failure if you planned for it

02:08:21 danielpbarron: didn't i read something like that already today?

02:08:46 ben_vulpes: http://welcometobusinesstown.tumblr.com/

02:08:48 assbot: BusinessTown ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn6CeQ )

02:10:02 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, that just makes him a shoulder

02:14:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00037689 = 3.882 BTC [+]

02:17:07 mats: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2015/01/greece-wil-operate-eu-imf-creditors-150131013241626.html

02:17:08 assbot: Greece says it will not negotiate with EU-IMF creditors - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn86FV )

02:17:18 mircea_popescu: heh

02:17:55 mircea_popescu: i hope they had a new york clause in their contract, and griesa gets to judge it

02:18:06 mircea_popescu: so he can say that greece is right. unlike argentina.

02:18:51 mats: i'm looking forward to the outcome of this

02:19:30 mats: will any others develop the courage to leave the EU? huhu

02:19:31 mircea_popescu: me too

02:21:41 mats: asciilifeform: any recommendations for a logic analyzer? preferably something sub $1k

02:22:10 asciilifeform: mats: 'rigol' ds1102d

02:22:27 mats: thanks

02:22:37 asciilifeform: if you -just- need logic analyzer, not scope,

02:22:52 asciilifeform: theer is an 'open bench logic sniffer' (more or less naked fpga, ~50 usd)

02:22:53 asciilifeform: but

02:23:01 asciilifeform: afaik nobody's written any usable proggy for it

02:23:09 asciilifeform: (author shat out a steaming java heap)

02:23:55 asciilifeform: if you can spare ~1k usd, get the 'rigol'

02:23:57 asciilifeform: it wurks.

02:24:02 mats: i've heard good things about saleae logic, have you used it?

02:24:26 mats: software is described as high quality.

02:25:07 asciilifeform: slow

02:25:27 asciilifeform: no, haven't used it, can't see why pay real money for ~25MHz ceiling

02:25:57 asciilifeform: vendor also seems to say it is out of print.

02:26:01 asciilifeform: https://www.saleae.com/logic

02:26:02 assbot: Saleae Logic. The logic analyzer you'll love to use. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn9N6l )

02:26:08 asciilifeform: 'This product is no longer available for purchase'

02:27:14 asciilifeform: and is that a closed-source turd i see.

02:28:02 mats: hm.

02:29:28 asciilifeform: if all you need is something that will decode, e.g., spi, at a few 100 kHz, get the ubiquitous 'bus pirate'

02:29:33 mats: closed-source seems normal from the researching ive done

02:29:56 asciilifeform: winblows-only is also 'normal'

02:30:27 asciilifeform: but it is possible to get decent (if not 'mazerati'-grade) instrumentation without swallowing winblows

02:30:35 asciilifeform: 'rigol' for instance

02:32:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53200 @ 0.00037689 = 20.0505 BTC [+]

02:38:47 danielpbarron: !up onewhosits

02:39:56 onewhosits: what are some BTC predictions for this coming week?

02:40:55 mats: try #bitcoin-pricetalk

02:41:09 onewhosits: Thanks bro

02:41:32 danielpbarron: onewhosits, who are you?

02:41:50 onewhosits: new

02:44:35 danielpbarron: onewhosits, you know about the WoT yet?

02:45:22 onewhosits: no sir, google brings up "world of tanks" aha

02:45:54 danielpbarron: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation

02:45:54 assbot: wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymkz8C )

02:49:15 onewhosits: thanks friend

02:49:43 BingoBoingo: onewhosits: Another important step is getting a cloak and moving off of webchat cloak

02:50:00 BingoBoingo: Hides your IP, because it is hard to tell when DoS bot will return

02:51:43 BingoBoingo: So... of all people newbie distro Linux mint if holding off on any systemd for two years http://news.softpedia.com/news/Linux-Mint-18-Will-Probably-Adopt-Systemd-470364.shtml

02:51:44 assbot: Linux Mint 18 Could Adopt Systemd - Softpedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1vneQUu )

02:53:11 onewhosits: oh i see. is it risky to use these channels? i run tailsos when i need to

02:53:41 mats: hard to say.

02:54:13 mats: i'd avoid doing anything sensitive over Tor, though

02:54:43 mats: http://qntra.net/2014/11/this-onion-it-smells-inherent-hazards-of-the-tor-network

02:54:44 assbot: This Onion, It Smells: Inherent Hazards of the Tor Network | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymmtWw )

02:55:23 mats: some curmudgeon operating an exit node could diddle your traffic.

02:55:56 BingoBoingo: onewhosits: More just some vandal has a bot that lurks and DoS's connections as it seens them join. Cloak should be enough to defeat that. To connect with Tor you'd need a cloak anyway.

02:56:19 danielpbarron: onewhosits, out of curiousity: did you verify the gpg signature on the tails installer?

02:58:27 pete_dushenski: whoa what's with the chernobyl theme over at thebitcoin.foundation ?

02:58:32 onewhosits: Good info friends. I'm currently using my home ip so im good. interesting though

02:59:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53562 @ 0.00038117 = 20.4162 BTC [+]

03:00:12 onewhosits: danielpbarron. No, actually i didn't. Should've. Is there a common problem with modified tailos installs?

03:00:44 danielpbarron: onewhosits, idk -- it doesn't matter anyway; the tails guys aren't in the WoT

03:01:30 danielpbarron: i was just wondering if a random tails user was aware of that sort of thing, or if they just downloaded it because freetalklive mentioned it

03:04:01 decimation: the LXR 'concordance' is pretty neat, it would be cool if it were possible to create that without webserver turd

03:04:06 onewhosits: danielpbarrn ahh. nah ive been using the distro for some time

03:08:02 decimation: asciilifeform: but it is possible to get decent (if not 'mazerati'-grade) instrumentation without swallowing winblows << except agilent et.al. comes with windows

03:08:05 decimation: cheap stuff doesn't

03:08:22 asciilifeform: the agilent boxes -run- winblows

03:08:29 decimation: aye

03:08:29 asciilifeform: as in, there's an x86 box in there.

03:08:29 mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPtEdCM4On8

03:08:30 assbot: Lazy Cat Doesn't Get Up to Drink Water - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ympExJ )

03:08:40 decimation: why did hp ditch hp-ux

03:09:00 mats: happy caturday.

03:09:11 asciilifeform: decimation: died with pa-risc, mostly

03:09:23 *: asciilifeform threw out his pa-risc box last may

03:09:44 *: asciilifeform couldn't be arsed to load it into the truck

03:09:49 decimation: hp was lowered in pederastry after years of fucktarded management - mainly after hewlitt and packard died

03:10:03 asciilifeform: well-known

03:10:31 asciilifeform: playing for a captive audience makes people, organizations, retarded

03:10:33 asciilifeform: no exceptions.

03:10:43 decimation: yes, that era forms the mud-layer upon which modern silly-con valley is built

03:11:27 decimation: asciilifeform: that's probably a good explanation for why high-end engineering software comes only on winblows

03:12:08 decimation: that and, the only proprietary hardware unix vendor left is... apple

03:12:17 asciilifeform: decimation: actually, sun corp. endured for a while

03:12:18 BingoBoingo: decimation: Similar to how when the Western Roman empire fell, concrete was forgotten for quite some time, because no volcanic ash in coldistan

03:12:50 decimation: decimation: sun have been lowered into oracle or that turd 'joylent' that was discussed awhile ago

03:13:27 decimation: BingoBoingo: aye, it is my understanding that even to this day the exact recipe for 'roman concrete' is still not completely known

03:13:48 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> decimation: actually, sun corp. endured for a while << Sun alway though lacked the introspection necessary to realize things like... A bench might be a better place to assemble machines than the floor.

03:14:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00037689 = 4.6923 BTC [-]

03:14:09 decimation: they built aqua-ducts that lasted 2000 years - I'm not betting that 'portland cement' will last as long

03:14:30 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/coin-swap-users-unable-to-withdraw-their-coins/

03:14:30 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: point is that, not so many years ago, one could get the 'high end' stuff on solaris.

03:14:43 BingoBoingo: Yeah

03:14:53 decimation: yes, warez vendors targeted solaris as a platform, like cadence, adobe, etc

03:15:05 asciilifeform: even something like dec openvms was supported

03:15:22 asciilifeform: microshit quietly massacred the commercial unixen while no one was looking

03:15:55 decimation: actually this is a perfect example of how 'drowning in idiots' can ruin an industry

03:16:04 asciilifeform: (nothing in the industry happened, in those days, except in the shadow of microshit. just as very little happens in the solar system that is not in some major way affected by jupiter.)

03:16:20 decimation: suddenly everyone who could use windows was a 'computer expert', so people who used computers to compute became 'dinosaurs' or 'weird'

03:16:46 asciilifeform: this didn't affect the 'workstation' folks, until it did.

03:17:29 asciilifeform: this, rather than 'open'-whatever in the abstract, is why redmond declared total war on linux

03:17:41 asciilifeform: because it was the first unixlike which couldn't be nudged out of existence this way

03:17:41 decimation: aye. once 'management' decided that windows was the answer, the nerds at the bottom had no chance

03:20:46 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: davout no, roast as in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53JLJDOEvE << watching this now. it's a riot!

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03:21:26 decimation: asciilifeform: do you have a source for little wires with single pin 'female header' connectors?

03:22:57 asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007MRQC1K

03:22:59 assbot: Amazon.com: 40pcs Female to Female 2.54mm 0.1 in Jumper Wires F/F (40pcs): Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymtBlN )

03:23:01 asciilifeform: or just about anywhere else

03:23:10 asciilifeform: check your favourite supplier

03:23:13 asciilifeform: these are ubiquitous

03:23:26 decimation: ah. thanks. the problem mainly is figuring out how to describe what you want

03:27:53 asciilifeform: snip'em in half.

03:29:24 decimation: aye

03:37:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00037349 = 16.6203 BTC [-] {2}

03:38:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75804 @ 0.00036627 = 27.7647 BTC [-] {4}

03:40:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22184 @ 0.00035681 = 7.9155 BTC [-]

03:57:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: equating 'litecoin' with other sc4mc01nz is a mistake. it was a genuine, if misguided, attempt at something genuinely else

03:57:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46350 @ 0.00035681 = 16.5381 BTC [-]

03:57:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: (the whole 'asic resistance' thing)

03:58:14 asciilifeform: this is re: the qntra article.

03:58:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cazalla's text. But... certain people who birthed it still promote it as an alternative that still solves a problem.

03:58:52 asciilifeform: somebody still promotes it?!

04:00:27 danielpbarron: i've seen a few "just sold all my BTC for Litecoin because MP is mean" posts

04:01:08 asciilifeform: it is interesting to contemplate why no one (afaik) suggested a third workfunction

04:01:31 asciilifeform: if you want 'asic resistance', my hypothetical 'lifecoin' is probably as good as it gets

04:01:33 asciilifeform: !s lifecoin

04:01:34 assbot: 1 results for 'lifecoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lifecoin

04:01:35 mats: hm, bitbet has graduated to being a sextuple reverse fractional reserve if my computation is correct

04:01:37 cazalla: asciilifeform, coblee admits his silver analogy doesn't make sense but continues with it anyway.. doesn't sound genuine to me at all

04:02:50 cazalla: and nobody has moved the goal posts as much as those idiots.. gpu resistant, asic resistant, it's faster etc etc

04:02:54 asciilifeform: if it -only- had the scrypt thing, and none of the other crackpotteries, might have went further.

04:03:01 asciilifeform: or at least, died a less pathetic death

04:03:33 asciilifeform: for those who weren't tuned in a year ago,

04:03:42 mats: its still fluctuating around 1%, so perhaps it may live on yet

04:03:48 asciilifeform: i once suggested, semi-seriously, a proofofworkfunktion based on cellular automata

04:03:54 mats: 1% BTCLTC, anyway

04:04:08 asciilifeform: with larger and larger quantity of ram required as difficulty grows

04:04:46 asciilifeform: this would have the side effect of encouraging the construction of machines which are not entirely useless for other extravagant computing projects

04:05:03 cazalla: so no, i don't buy that litecoin was anything more than the creation of your stereotypical chink who knocks shit off

04:05:13 asciilifeform: (but at the same time still requiring construction of new machines)

04:05:32 asciilifeform: cazalla: knocked off but replaced a fairly sensitive part.

04:07:40 pete_dushenski: litecoin is like a tesla with a gas engine really

04:08:45 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the way i understand, it was mainly intended to banish asic, but for some reason known only to the author, did not really try in earnest

04:08:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75800 @ 0.00035681 = 27.0462 BTC [-]

04:08:56 pete_dushenski: or like a race horse with the heart of a giant gerbil

04:09:12 asciilifeform: (see 'lifecoin' for example of algorithm that actually requires increasing physical space as difficulty grows)

04:09:14 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: because he's american ?

04:09:37 *: asciilifeform knows nothing whatsoever about author of 'litecoin'

04:10:00 pete_dushenski: ;;google charles lee litecoin

04:10:00 gribble: Litecoin founder Charles Lee on the origins of the cryptocurrency: http://www.coindesk.com/litecoin-founder-charles-lee-on-the-origins-and-potential-of-the-worlds-second-largest-cryptocurrency/; Litecoin creator Charles Lee has left Google to work at Coinbase: http://www.coindesk.com/litecoin-creator-charles-lee-has-left-google-to-work-at-coinbase/; Ex-Googler Gives the (1 more message)

04:10:11 danielpbarron: heh "google charles lee"

04:10:14 pete_dushenski: google employee

04:10:16 pete_dushenski: a la hearn

04:10:24 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: lol

04:10:39 asciilifeform: the 'cynical' answer would be that he didn't give a flying fuck about asic resistance in the general sense, but planned to build own asic.

04:10:52 danielpbarron: "no, charles lee googles you!"

04:11:00 asciilifeform: but did not do this, because could not steal enough.

04:11:05 asciilifeform: or sumthinglikethat

04:11:29 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the cynical answer could also be that he's a bad actor who tried to detract energies away from bitcoin at a pivotal moment

04:11:37 asciilifeform: or that

04:11:53 pete_dushenski: iirc litecoin was a 2011 thing

04:11:54 asciilifeform: but normally those are not merely malicious idiots, but avaricious malicious idiots

04:12:06 asciilifeform: by all rights he should have attempted the asic

04:12:13 asciilifeform: rather than waiting for the chinese

04:12:19 pete_dushenski: if he had the skillz

04:12:32 pete_dushenski: it's not clear that he did/does

04:12:48 pete_dushenski: or mebbe charles lee is a chinese mole!

04:12:55 cazalla: he is malicious because he contains to appear at conferences to tell people how a coin is all about the marketing regardless of whether what you say is factual or not. he's just the first iteration of garza

04:13:02 asciilifeform: i can't honestly say that i care very much why.

04:13:05 asciilifeform: it's dead.

04:13:26 pete_dushenski: cazalla: pumpers gotta pump and all that

04:14:22 asciilifeform: the original point of my objection to the qntra piece was that, afaik, 'litecoin' was different from every other altcoin in the sense that it was not simply an existing source tree with a dozen constants changed.

04:14:24 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: at least litecoin didn't have a phoundation crudding it up to its gills over a period of years

04:14:48 cazalla: asciilifeform, i'm pretty sure every altcoin always launches with the idea of being different to every other altcoin

04:14:57 asciilifeform: idea.

04:15:01 asciilifeform: but not practice.

04:16:41 cazalla: pete_dushenski, it has had one for the last year along with a *talk.org forum.. it's pretty much the blue print for altcoins at this point, launch your altcointalk.org, have a foundation and premine under the guise the foundation will use the coins in some fund to spread adoption

04:16:51 asciilifeform: i mean, i get it, it's become scarcely distinguishable from other pumpcoinz

04:17:12 asciilifeform: but initially there was a vaguely-plausible reason for thinking people to go 'hmm' when reading about litecoin.

04:17:57 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: best electric tranny is ICE powered.

04:18:04 cazalla: of course, which is why i got into it to begin with but in hindsight, just sour grapes at missing cheaper bitcoin

04:18:13 asciilifeform: at the minimum, it was a 'spare' in case of a catastrophic break in sha2

04:18:17 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the 'cynical' answer would be that he didn't give a flying fuck about asic resistance in the general sense, but planned to build own asic << There was drama about a collaborator of his GPU mining this GPU unminable coin from the start

04:18:26 asciilifeform: (if that seems like a 'martian' concept, look up 'satcoin')

04:18:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i did not know this, but it isn't very surprising.

04:19:23 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Collaborator was also one of the first, notorious BTC GPU miners

04:19:48 pete_dushenski: cazalla: a, a newer thing then, another "but it worked for the us" scenario

04:20:16 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: even tesla's have to get leccy from somewhere

04:20:39 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: and what was that miata bit? is this your dream car or.. ?

04:21:19 cazalla: BingoBoingo, i've heard that as well and i suspect he used his brother's exchange to offload his early coins to chinese suckers, that's what that whole bitcoin/litecoin brothers reunited bullshit was about, the fucking gall of that guy http://media.coindesk.com/2014/03/Banner_en_BTCChina.jpg

04:21:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWYO3E )

04:22:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00035373 = 7.5521 BTC [-] {2}

04:23:03 cazalla: no proof of course but i wouldn't put it past a guy to do that.. a guy that is willing to get up in front of a room and admit what he says isn't true but that it's OK because "marketing"

04:26:26 pete_dushenski: and now lee is presumably sipping mai tais somewhere because i swear he hasn't made a peep in 12 months

04:27:11 cazalla: still a coinbase despite telling the faithful that coinbase will add litecoin and that he'll leave if they don't

04:27:16 mats: asciilifeform: https://www.tindie.com/products/WaywardGeek/infinite-noise/ << can you evaluate this self-professed tRNG gadget?

04:27:18 assbot: Infinite Noise true random number generator from WaywardGeek on Tindie ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWZ4zx )

04:27:36 mats: based on the description, anyway.

04:29:28 decimation: here's the schematic

04:29:29 pete_dushenski: cazalla: soon u guise!

04:29:29 decimation: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/waywardgeek/infnoise/master/images/infnoise.png

04:29:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWZ9U7 )

04:35:15 mats: mircea_popescu: would you consider records and other business documents (e.g. tax filings) within the scope of the courts-circus parameters?

04:41:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00035275 = 6.6141 BTC [-]

04:41:52 mats: er, not tax filings, but financial documents -- also, what about electronic storage devices?

05:07:56 pete_dushenski: true renewable sources of energy–wind, solar, and biomass–may be much less adversely affected by the plunge in oil prices than is widely believed << because reasons

05:08:16 pete_dushenski: 1. First, oil is used primarily for transportation and not to produce electricity, whereas renewables play an increasing role in producing electricity. In other words, oil and renewables are not direct competitors.

05:08:35 pete_dushenski: 2. Second, over the longer run, because of continuing technological improvements, the prices of renewables, especially solar power, are likely to drop much faster than is the case for commodity-based fuels such as oil. The prices of commodity-based fuels, which are traded in deep, liquid markets, also tend to be more volatile than those of renewables, for which there tend to be no separate markets (especially fo

05:08:35 pete_dushenski: r fuels that are just inputs into generation of electricity).

05:09:21 pete_dushenski: because in greenlandia, deep liquid markets are more volatile than thin illiquid ones

05:10:48 pete_dushenski: ok scratch that, liquidity should increase volatility in the short-term but illiquid markets have larger fat tails

05:11:11 pete_dushenski: as with bitcoin: stable, stable, stable, kaboom!

05:11:30 pete_dushenski: ^being relatively illiquid

05:12:30 pete_dushenski: in any event, the "green is fine u guise" construction is hollow

05:12:49 pete_dushenski: cheap "non-renewables" badly cramp its style

05:17:04 asciilifeform: mats: the basic principle of the linked rng is very similar to mine. (fella stayed awake in school.) but the similarities stop there.

05:17:19 asciilifeform: mats: no attempt is made to isolate pc 5v power from rng;

05:17:44 asciilifeform: mats: i see no evidence of shield, or provisions for one

05:17:55 asciilifeform: mats: debiasing is presumably performed on pc end

05:18:34 asciilifeform: mats: but all of these things considered, it is probably the least terrifyingly bad trng i've seen so far on the post-snowden market

05:25:47 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

05:25:55 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 217.33, vol: 19527.50108951 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 212.142, vol: 10128.11134 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 215.4, vol: 52043.73376975 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 213.44, vol: 181080.57010000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 216.14762, vol: 14.31813754 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 221.186, vol: 105.51734265 | Volume-weighted last average: 214.070192738

05:26:35 BingoBoingo: Who is this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10323295#msg10323295

05:26:36 assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0hd0e )

05:27:14 pete_dushenski: good question

05:27:21 pete_dushenski: zesty fellow, whoever he is

05:30:46 pete_dushenski: I would recommend you sell your bitcoins and buy your alts you were just pumping , because holding onto MPcoin won't be wise. At least with litecoin and peercoin you will lose your investments at a slower pace.

05:30:57 pete_dushenski: from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10324436#msg10324436

05:30:58 assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0hPDi )

05:32:56 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah ultimately the 'infinite noise' guy's circuit is still vulnerable to rf noise in the right band

05:34:57 decimation: pete_dushenski: lol "our scam will suck you dry slowly"

05:37:23 pete_dushenski: best scams take years and years and years

05:38:02 decimation: aye, one can't keep a chumpatron going if it kills the chumps

05:38:50 pete_dushenski: that's the beauty of car leasing

05:39:04 pete_dushenski: you never notice the depreciation whack because "only monthly payment matters"

05:39:16 pete_dushenski: and rentiers roll one into the next into the next

05:41:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44850 @ 0.00035275 = 15.8208 BTC [-]

05:41:43 decimation: yeah it's hard to 'enjoy' paying nothing for a car if you never do it

05:44:48 *: decimation pays nothing for his cars (other than maintenance and gas) and enoys it

05:44:56 pete_dushenski: it's not clear to me that people enjoy paying for things with the aim of ownership

05:45:07 pete_dushenski: that's not the sharing economy way

05:45:19 pete_dushenski: decimation: me too :D

05:45:39 pete_dushenski: burn the depreciation witch!

05:51:51 decimation: I'm considering purchasing some real estate

05:52:08 decimation: bezzlar lending rates keep dropping because 'oh noes deflation'

05:57:56 asciilifeform: decimation: forget rf noise even, the harmonics from usb clock.

05:59:27 decimation: yeah I'm pretty sure he's built a half-ass 'sigma-delta' adc

06:00:04 asciilifeform: no, the rng part is a reasonable, traditional scheme

06:01:03 asciilifeform: https://github.com/waywardgeek/infnoise

06:01:05 assbot: waywardgeek/infnoise · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wPIOu6 )

06:01:06 asciilifeform: ^ more detail

06:01:34 decimation: he is definitely running a 'sampling' system

06:02:41 asciilifeform: ultimately any interface between analogue and digital 'worlds' is a sampling system

06:03:07 decimation: indeed. thus, subject to nyquist

06:04:41 phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, I disagree with the premise that wealth correlates strongly with intelligence. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs predicts that people will largely ignore trying to gain Esteem while being pre-occupied with finding food, shelter and companionship. ( http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html?PageSpeed=noscript )

06:04:43 assbot: Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs | Simply Psychology ... ( http://bit.ly/1wPJwY6 )

06:05:05 asciilifeform: phillipsjk: are you aware that said device is a fiction ?

06:05:38 asciilifeform: as in, herr m. pulled it directly out of his arse

06:05:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.000354 = 9.4872 BTC [+]

06:05:53 asciilifeform: and its applicability to actual people is, charitably - debatable

06:06:37 phillipsjk: Of course, that hiearchy is not rigid in real life. Anarcho-socialists may simply skip gaining status, instead prioritizing "8. Transcendence needs - helping others to achieve self actualization."

06:07:07 phillipsjk: so in a word yes, I know the fixed hierarchy is largely fiction.

06:07:54 asciilifeform: or, say, human bomb in iraq. which 'level' of pyramid do his desired 40 virgins satisfy?

06:07:59 decimation: phillipsjk: do you think mental illness is something that is fundamentally biological? or do you think that the mentally ill could 'shake it off' and choose not to?

06:09:24 BingoBoingo: Cripple fight: http://blog.paybase.com/coin-fire-allegations-about-paybase-are-false/

06:09:24 assbot: Coin Fire Allegations About PayBase Are False ... ( http://bit.ly/1tNL1ew )

06:09:25 asciilifeform: phillipsjk: if you know it to be a fiction, why do you bring it up as an argument

06:09:29 phillipsjk: Sometimes I think mental illness is a rational response to life events.

06:10:00 decimation: is 'unintelligence' also something one can 'shake off' and overcome, just by trying hard enough?

06:11:11 phillipsjk: I accept that some people are smarter than others. That does not automatically imply that the goal of all smart people is to gain wealth and status.

06:11:51 phillipsjk: asciilifeform, it nicely illustrates that there are priorities other than wealth/status.

06:11:59 pete_dushenski: phillipsjk: merely that less smart people have the deck stacked against them in their pursuit of anything

06:12:03 pete_dushenski: be it wealth or otherwise

06:13:42 decimation: phillipsjk: just because 'some choose not to pursue wealth', it doesn't follow that the wealthy are not intelligent

06:14:16 asciilifeform: phillipsjk: without weighing in on the statement, i'd like to point out that you should have gone straight to 'there are priorities other than wealth/status', rather than trying to bolster the argument with 'proof by authority' using the authority of a fellow who pulled it all out of his arse

06:14:25 asciilifeform: (maslow)

06:14:58 asciilifeform: this may sound odd and pedantic, but keeping your brain clean is like washing your body

06:15:07 decimation: but asciilifeform, tenured professors teach maslow in school!

06:15:08 asciilifeform: if you don't, don't expect to be welcome among folks who do

06:15:11 phillipsjk: good point.

06:20:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00035275 = 6.9492 BTC [-]

06:24:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00035467 = 8.2283 BTC [+] {2}

06:24:11 phillipsjk: I also wanted to comment that behavior that seem stupid from the outside is sometimes completely rational. Quoting MP: 'last time we diagnosed [the DDOS bot] it was mostly unpnp pwnt routers that yielded it. long known as a problem, little to do about it because "must have lusers on the internet"' http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#997218 (as an example)

06:24:11 assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 15:12:13; mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: The captures are 5.0GB each. Just a little too large to fit on a DVD:P << last time we diagnosed this it was mostly unpnp pwnt routers that yielded it.

06:26:09 phillipsjk: The users installing those routers probably don't even play with computer networks as a hobby. It is the manufacturers, not the end-users' fault that UPnP is exposed to the Internet.

06:28:29 phillipsjk: Exposing UPnP to the internet defies all common sense. Add to that, many of the Pwnt routers appear to be in China, I am going to call it a deliberate back-door on the part of the manufacturer.

06:29:39 phillipsjk: There is even evidence this is required by law in China: https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/01/30/1514245

06:29:40 assbot: China’s New Rules for Selling Tech to Banks Have US Companies Spooked - SoylentNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1wPNK27 )

06:30:07 phillipsjk: "Technology companies that want to sell equipment to Chinese banks will have to submit to extensive audits, turn over source code, and build “back doors” into their hardware and software, according to a copy of the rules obtained by foreign companies already doing billions of dollar worth of business in the country. The new rules were laid out in a 22-page document from Beijing, and are presumably being put in place so that the Chin

06:30:08 phillipsjk: ese government can peek into computer banking systems."

06:31:34 phillipsjk: Incidentally, leaving the back-door open to the public gives the Chinese Government plausible deniability if they decide to attack this humble channel.

06:32:35 asciilifeform: jurov: please check turdatron.

06:32:43 asciilifeform: jurov: it ate another message of mine.

06:32:55 asciilifeform: jurov: for no discernible reason.

06:33:27 asciilifeform: jurov: so far i've managed perhaps 2 messages in, out of five times this many attempts.

06:33:57 asciilifeform: jurov: if you are using a demented dwarf with abacus instead of a computer, please fire him and replace with an actual machine.

06:34:08 phillipsjk: That reminds me, I noticed the logs have comments from "noisy" people trimmed.

06:34:27 asciilifeform: phillipsjk: who, and where?

06:36:05 phillipsjk: Oh maybe I did not search back far enough, Was referring to this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#997251

06:36:05 assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 15:40:59; mircea_popescu: !rated felipelalli

06:36:38 phillipsjk: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#997252

06:36:38 assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 15:40:59; assbot: You rated user felipelalli on 21-Jan-2015, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: has a very strange idea of when it's time to talk..

06:38:10 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, mod6, danielpbarron: if any of you wanted armv5 binaries to play with, ask jurov, they're in his dust bin, where turdatron dumped them despite valid sigatures.

06:38:40 phillipsjk: yes I found relevant text on the log from the 21st.

06:39:27 asciilifeform: phillipsjk: the amplification attack you found in your packet captures (we discussed it here about a month ago) is a pure ddos vector

06:39:43 asciilifeform: that is, of absolutely no use for taking control of a machine in the usual sense

06:40:23 asciilifeform: even using it as described, for ddos, requires the thing to be hooked up to an isp which happily routes packets with forged ip

06:40:24 phillipsjk: I am not sure it was a true amplification. I suspect it was a flase positive because the addresses ended in .255

06:40:49 asciilifeform: it's an amplification, by definition (attacker sends N bytes, victims receive k*N for some positive k)

06:41:02 phillipsjk: All 3 addresses I mentioned were from /16 netblocks.

06:42:05 *: phillipsjk thinks we are talking past each other.

06:42:22 ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/3YZXENS << anyone know of a tidier way to reboot bitcoind?

06:42:23 assbot: dpaste: 3YZXENS ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0fnuA )

06:42:31 phillipsjk: My router reported a "smurf" attack, but I think it is a mis-diagnosis.

06:43:14 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'killall' ?

06:43:17 punkman: phillipsjk: that's usual background noise

06:43:26 ben_vulpes: <phillipsjk> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#997252 << actually just shutting someone up temporarily

06:43:26 assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 15:40:59; assbot: You rated user felipelalli on 21-Jan-2015, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: has a very strange idea of when it's time to talk..

06:43:39 ben_vulpes: not trimmed from the logs, but prevented from speaking during a roasting.

06:43:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're such a hater :D

06:43:50 mircea_popescu: almost as bad as jurov

06:44:00 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: thing is, i want it to shut down cleanly and reboot shortly after it exits cleanly.

06:44:17 asciilifeform: phillipsjk: talk to kakobrekla, he will give you a place to drop the dumps, if you believe that you have discovered something peculiar therein

06:44:47 asciilifeform: phillipsjk: it will be easier to explain just what it was, if i & the rest can view them at our leisure in 'wireshark'

06:45:29 phillipsjk: I did not look too closely, but saw UDP fragment flood with some ICMP messages (to try to track my connectivity?).

06:45:37 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've already lost days to shutting the thing down forcefully, i'm determined to not waste any more time with things that can be automated.

06:45:46 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo http://fraudsters.com/2013/lets-make-it-one-giant-puzzle/#comment-111895 << holy shit that first quote man.

06:45:47 assbot: Let's make it one giant puzzle! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0fINZ )

06:45:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:45:48 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the simplest way is to run it inside the loop

06:47:11 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CYaU3x_nRU

06:47:12 assbot: The Frogs - I'm Sad, My Goat Just Died Today - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0fV3T )

06:47:36 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as for killing, if you feed it a SIGTERM, it should die with decorum

06:49:53 ben_vulpes: gotcha, thanks asciilifeform

06:50:14 ben_vulpes: i wanted it running in the context of cron, so i'll probably have to do some shooping of stuff around.

06:52:28 decimation: phillipsjk: would you be willing to upload a sample of your ddos captures?

06:54:05 phillipsjk: decimation, sure. Would have to be tomorrow though. Would like 50MB be enough? (Ie: before I switched out the 10Mbps hub)

06:54:33 decimation: sure

06:55:16 decimation: post a link on the channel so folks can browse it

06:55:34 phillipsjk: I think this counts as "tradition": http://www.hystericalfeminisms.com/consent/

06:55:36 assbot: HYSTERIA | CONSENT ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0h0Zr )

06:56:09 *: phillipsjk would have to check how much space his web-host allows him to use.

06:56:36 mircea_popescu: it can't be less than 50mb ?!

06:57:11 phillipsjk: I can probably make it any size you want.

06:57:36 mircea_popescu: cazalla nice month yo.

06:59:22 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: i was just wondering if a random tails user was aware of that sort of thing, or if they just downloaded it because freetalklive mentioned it << you know the answer to that q.

07:02:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: this, rather than 'open'-whatever in the abstract, is why redmond declared total war on linux << quite.

07:03:25 mircea_popescu: in other news, one doesn't hate you for the things about you that make you great, one hates you for the things about you that make his shit no longer work.

07:04:21 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53JLJDOEvE << watching this now. it's a riot! << dun tell me you found out about either that famous jew or that celebrated mode of civilised passtime on b-a!

07:04:23 assbot: Don Rickles al Roast di Sammy Davis jr (1975) | SUB ITA - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0iiUd )

07:04:51 pete_dushenski: the mode i knew

07:05:04 punkman: ;;later tell mats saw this recently, might interest you http://sigrok.org/wiki/Supported_hardware#Logic_analyzers

07:05:05 assbot: Supported hardware - sigrok ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0ioLz )

07:05:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:05:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: somebody still promotes it?! << defo.

07:05:24 pete_dushenski: that sammy was a converted member of the tribe, i did not

07:05:34 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski rickles is easily one of the greatest comedians who ever lived

07:05:40 mircea_popescu: with carson and carlin and so on

07:06:21 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: i've seen a few "just sold all my BTC for Litecoin because MP is mean" posts << and yet https://bitbet.us/bet/1098/ltc-to-fall-below-half-a-bitcent-before/

07:06:22 assbot: BitBet - LTC to fall below half a bitcent before March :: 1.09 B (59%) on Yes, 0.75 B (41%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 5 days | weight: 46`041 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0iAu8 )

07:06:31 pete_dushenski: lol i was already laughed out by the time he took the microphone

07:06:42 punkman: I'm gonna try to setup turdatronic bitcoind on VPS. Is there an easy way to monitor and log IO for just the bitcoind process?

07:07:08 pete_dushenski: punkman: i spent the last week trying to do the same

07:07:18 pete_dushenski: 0.9.3 was too much for my vps

07:07:27 pete_dushenski: 512 mb

07:08:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i once suggested, semi-seriously, a proofofworkfunktion based on cellular automata << i recall our discussing this, in the very logs! years ago!

07:09:21 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#590953

07:09:21 assbot: Logged on 29-03-2014 02:11:03; asciilifeform: proposed algo, for those who insist:

07:09:30 asciilifeform: thread ^ a while ago, yes.

07:10:31 mircea_popescu: i thought it was much much longer ago than fucken march last.

07:10:41 asciilifeform: possibly first mention of this was even earlier

07:10:44 mircea_popescu: this is like... b-a logs are so substantial they dilate the perception of time.

07:10:47 asciilifeform: aha!

07:11:05 mircea_popescu: just... so many ideas, it's like reading 3 centuries worth of old gray lady.

07:11:14 asciilifeform: i feel like i spent at least a decade.

07:11:41 punkman: mircea_popescu: going by log height #590953 to #1001132 (now), it's a lot of time

07:11:49 mircea_popescu: and then we give nooby kids with undegrad "business" and "governance" degrees a hard time for their self-reported "experience"

07:11:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00035275 = 5.2031 BTC [-]

07:12:11 mircea_popescu: punkman also a good point

07:12:30 punkman: look at that, almost doubled log lines betwwen 3/2014 and now

07:12:49 mircea_popescu: we're lucky that gavin doubled storage space.

07:13:21 phillipsjk: night all

07:13:49 danielpbarron: are cellular automata easy to verify? I mean, work backwards to the start point

07:14:07 mircea_popescu: cazalla: he's just the first iteration of garza <<< this angle i can definitely see.

07:14:10 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: it's deterministic, if that's what you're asking.

07:14:22 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron depends hwat you mean by easy.

07:14:31 danielpbarron: easier than the reverse

07:14:35 mircea_popescu: about as easy to go either way, towards past or future

07:15:11 mircea_popescu: they;'re not unidirectional sort of problerms like the factorisation problem is.

07:15:28 asciilifeform: the usual term of art is 'trap door'

07:16:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i mean, i get it, it's become scarcely distinguishable from other pumpcoinz << know teh seinfeld effect ?

07:16:18 asciilifeform: hm?

07:16:46 mircea_popescu: There are certain shows that you can safely assume most people have seen. These shows were considered fantastic when they first aired. Now, however, these shows have a Hype Backlash curse on them. Whenever we watch them, we'll cry, "That is so old" or "That is so overdone".

07:16:46 mircea_popescu: The sad irony? It wasn't old or overdone when they did it. But the things it created were so brilliant and popular, they became woven into the fabric of that show's genre. They ended up being taken for granted, copied and endlessly repeated. Although they often began by saying something new, they in turn became the status quo.

07:16:47 asciilifeform: the films copying a classic one and the classic consequently seeming derivative tripe - thing ?

07:16:53 asciilifeform: aha that

07:16:58 mircea_popescu: yup

07:17:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: at the minimum, it was a 'spare' in case of a catastrophic break in sha2 << on this we agree. meanwhile that problem seems to have navigated away

07:18:04 mircea_popescu: by means of other problems having scoped in

07:18:10 TheNewDeal: ;;later tell TomServo I'm around town tomorrow if you'd like to meet up.

07:18:10 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:18:13 punkman: oh sweet found what I was looking for https://github.com/scaidermern/audria

07:18:14 assbot: scaidermern/audria · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0krPV )

07:18:35 TheNewDeal: ;;nethash

07:18:36 gribble: 328795984.186

07:18:40 TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats

07:18:44 gribble: Current Blocks: 341443 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1276 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 8 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45598132528.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.47966

07:18:51 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Collaborator was also one of the first, notorious BTC GPU miners << who was this again ?

07:19:07 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I believe it was Artforz

07:19:16 mircea_popescu: no ?! he mined ltc too ?

07:19:33 BingoBoingo: If I recall correctly he was a "dev" back in ancient times

07:19:44 BingoBoingo: Not sure if substantiated or not.

07:20:20 BingoBoingo: Did I get all of the quotes right on the puzzle?

07:20:20 mircea_popescu: dev of ltc ?

07:20:46 mircea_popescu: well "About" isn't a source eh ?

07:21:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think he was if my memory works, but... confirming involves wading way deep into the bitcointalk altcoin section

07:22:32 BingoBoingo: Ah, I'll source the Something Awful ones when I find a working login. 2 and 4 though. From the same post on the Butterfly Labs forum.

07:23:30 mircea_popescu: yeh

07:24:26 asciilifeform: http://sigrok.org/wiki/File:Wayengineer_saleae16_pcb_top.jpg << had no idea anybody still did this.

07:24:27 assbot: File:Wayengineer saleae16 pcb top.jpg - sigrok ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0lsaF )

07:24:48 asciilifeform: http://sigrok.org/wiki/File:Wayengineer_saleae16_atmel_24c02n.jpg

07:24:48 assbot: File:Wayengineer saleae16 atmel 24c02n.jpg - sigrok ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0lz5Q )

07:25:06 decimation: asciilifeform: is that 'potting' material?

07:25:07 asciilifeform: http://sigrok.org/wiki/File:WayEngineer16-board-top-2014-09.jpg << same, sans shitburial

07:25:08 assbot: File:WayEngineer16-board-top-2014-09.jpg - sigrok ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0lAa9 )

07:25:41 BingoBoingo: https://imgur.com/3bxHdOk << Ancient Neobee history

07:25:43 assbot: Cryptocyprus vs MPOE-PR - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0lFKL )

07:26:07 mircea_popescu: mats "private persons" in II excludes corporations. but otherwise, anything that one communicated to another is fair game.

07:26:22 mircea_popescu: i dunno how this'd practically be stuff like tax filings, court can and does ask the irs for that.

07:26:44 mircea_popescu: mebbe i don't understand so well what you're asking

07:27:51 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo uh wtf is that!

07:27:55 mircea_popescu: i don't even ?!

07:28:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think it was some sort of Pro-Brewster agitprop

07:29:02 mircea_popescu: i tell you, blond inch tall figurines drawn on a EGA screen waving about swords are no basis for a financial system.

07:29:26 mircea_popescu: supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the wot, not some farcical fencing ceremony...

07:30:02 *: asciilifeform fondly remembers 'monkey island'

07:30:28 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski seriously, someone argued that "he prices of commodity-based fuels, which are traded in deep, liquid markets, also tend to be more volatile than those of renewables, for which there tend to be no separate markets" ?

07:30:29 asciilifeform: where the scene is from

07:30:34 mircea_popescu: how do they make them this dumb ?

07:30:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform brick and mortar island!

07:31:11 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'm guessing that they go to special schools

07:31:23 mircea_popescu: what, princeton ?

07:31:32 pete_dushenski: it must take years, if not decades of training to chock one's brain full of such crud

07:32:04 punkman: princeton: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/randomwalker/nine-awesome-bitcoin-projects-at-princeton/

07:32:05 assbot: Nine awesome Bitcoin projects at Princeton ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0mwuX )

07:32:19 mircea_popescu: lol @Gav1nFucksGoats

07:33:39 pete_dushenski: Robert Litan is a nonresident senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and the author of “Trillion Dollar Economists.”

07:33:56 pete_dushenski: ^said market speshulist

07:34:13 TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal

07:34:49 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/boblitan << guy looks barely bright enough to tie shoelaces

07:34:51 assbot: Robert Litan (@BobLitan) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0mTpA )

07:35:09 mircea_popescu: lmaop that forum

07:35:10 mircea_popescu: "This is misinformation and you are confusing people.

07:35:11 mircea_popescu: That number isn't true as it assumes we will immediately be processing 84k transactions per block which isn't going to happen."

07:35:29 mircea_popescu: YOU ARE CONFUSING PEOPLE!! the problem we are solving is not a problem which is why it should be solved!!!1

07:35:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu and anyone else waiting for s.nsa broadcast - it will appear shortly after i get a little sleep now. can't believe i blew a whole saturday on the pocket node thing.

07:35:36 mircea_popescu: srsly, this stupid ? also princeton ?

07:36:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tomorrow'll be fine, but yes, now is the time on sprockets where you let the little guys fuck by themselves a while.

07:36:48 mircea_popescu: also there, " Bitcoin can be so complicated at times that even I have problems getting all the facts."

07:36:51 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al: the tips i've given re: controlling memory fandango had better suffice. i'll post a buildroot for the pogo some time this week, but unfortunately i do not have time to do the whole thing personally

07:38:02 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benjamindees seven billion people have no savings.

07:38:02 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:38:23 mircea_popescu: everyone has savings, and they save in gold ? wtf is this bs.

07:39:23 asciilifeform: loper-os.org/pub/bitcoind-armv5-variants.tgz

07:39:31 asciilifeform: ^ what turdatron threw into the sun

07:39:34 asciilifeform: docs inside.

07:40:15 fluffypony: lol

07:40:25 mircea_popescu: decimation: bezzlar lending rates keep dropping because 'oh noes deflation' <<< if you can take an immense loan denominated in usd and at a fixed rate, to purchase anything tangible you should do so right now.

07:41:14 pete_dushenski: fixed rate being the key here

07:41:36 pete_dushenski: 5+ if they'll take it

07:41:45 pete_dushenski: years, that is

07:41:51 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, I disagree with the premise that wealth correlates strongly with intelligence. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs <<< reed the correct one : http://fraudsters.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo/

07:41:52 assbot: That ain't the Maslow pyramid, yo! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0o6x1 )

07:41:52 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:42:04 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell phillipsjk you can't reason on any topic on the rotten basis of socialist propaganda.

07:42:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:42:10 asciilifeform: blockheight 214288 (bastard node.)

07:42:11 pete_dushenski: 5 seems to be the norm, not sure how hard it is to get a longer fixed rate term

07:42:24 *: asciilifeform now can go to bed

07:42:39 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski what 5 ? 0.2% baby.

07:42:46 mircea_popescu: what is this, fucking retail ? we're all jews, right ?

07:43:00 mircea_popescu: only samy jr pays retail,

07:43:05 mircea_popescu: and only before conversion.

07:43:05 decimation: mircea_popescu: for 'well qualified' folks in 'conventional' mortgages, you can get 3.5% for 30 years!

07:43:07 decimation: fixed

07:43:11 mircea_popescu: gtfo.

07:43:22 decimation: and rates are dropping

07:43:30 mircea_popescu: hm, i guess actually you might not have the luxury to tell them to gtfo

07:43:36 mircea_popescu: but why are you paying 15x what they pay ?

07:43:37 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: 5 years. ~2% is retail

07:43:43 mircea_popescu: would you buy hamburgers at 15x the fixed costs ?!

07:44:06 decimation: in the us, all mortgages are sold by usg

07:44:06 mircea_popescu: banks refinance at about 0.2% anything under .3% is ok but over that is being greedy.

07:44:14 pete_dushenski: 15x zero ...

07:44:19 decimation: there is no 'private' mortgage market

07:44:25 decimation: at least, it's tiny

07:44:27 mircea_popescu: i don't believe that.

07:44:42 mircea_popescu: maybe there's no private market in the sense that there's no bitcoin stock market ?

07:44:45 pete_dushenski: there's no way you can get under 2% is all i'm saying

07:44:55 mircea_popescu: maybe that's true.

07:44:58 pete_dushenski: if you're borrowing say $500k

07:45:07 mircea_popescu: well no, borrow $50 mn

07:45:26 pete_dushenski: i'm more interested in how long you can negotiate as far as a fixed rate term goes

07:45:47 pete_dushenski: $50 mn you say....

07:45:49 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski anything past ~20 years is not necessarily going to come in your favour.

07:46:12 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski understand : building a building costs to the tune of a bn or a few.

07:46:25 mircea_popescu: obv there's no market in arbitrarily tiny fractions

07:46:58 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: having now sent kill $(cat bitcoind.pid) several times, i'm no longer so certain that the damn thing obeys SIGTERM.

07:47:20 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it takes a while.

07:47:27 mircea_popescu: go do all your shopping, come back n see

07:47:39 pete_dushenski: funny lady shopping, that is

07:48:53 mircea_popescu: ?We were stunned by the allegations which served to negatively impact our business in this exciting and evolving financial category,? said Josh Garza, CEO of GAW. ?However, we appreciate the outpouring of support by a community that is behind what we are doing as pioneers in the cryptocurrency market; in short, they simply didn?t believe it.?

07:48:54 mircea_popescu: herp

07:49:30 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no way. it respondes to ./bitcoind -datadir=. -port=... -rpcport=... stop, but not to kill $BITCOIND_PID

07:49:42 mircea_popescu: o.O

07:49:57 mircea_popescu: no way, it actually has sigterm masking ?

07:50:01 mircea_popescu: i duin recall this.

07:51:22 pete_dushenski: bbib

07:51:24 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: The users installing those routers probably don't even play with computer networks as a hobby. It is the manufacturers, not the end-users' fault that UPnP is exposed to the Internet. <<< ther atrocity known as unpnp exists in the first place because people who do not know how to use computers wish nevertheless to use computers, and then complain to people running servers that "doesn't work".

07:51:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40859 @ 0.00035262 = 14.4077 BTC [-] {2}

07:52:31 mircea_popescu: it is the fault of the people running servers that they implemented upnp instead of beating the people with the reports, sure. however, beatings suffer from a disaster of commons type of problem : they are valuabler and expensive, but the beneficiaries resist them afore, even if they appreciate them after.

07:52:34 mircea_popescu: much like washing.

07:54:00 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: this humble channel. << i never thought i'd live to hear that one.

07:54:26 decimation: I can't find good data, but it is pretty well known that usg entities purchase 30 year fixed loans

07:54:31 decimation: who else would buy them?

07:54:52 decimation: as for 15x, you can get 0.5% loans - that have 1-month adjustable rates

07:55:05 mircea_popescu: get them without adjustable.

07:55:12 decimation: can't

07:55:23 mircea_popescu: perhaps as a 10 year fixed, with a negotiable that includes your right to fully repay.

07:55:37 mircea_popescu: iirc that's the structure i used last time i did something like this.

07:55:37 decimation: not through any traditional loan dealer

07:55:44 decimation: perhaps a private party would make such a deal

07:55:59 mircea_popescu: a wot's always handy

07:56:28 decimation: eh, I can borrow usg's bezzlars for 3.5

07:56:47 mircea_popescu: this is like paying me 70 bucks for a happy meal.

07:57:09 mircea_popescu: (is that shit still 4.95 or did "deflation" fix that proble mtoo ?)

07:57:09 decimation: no, it's like having usg pay 70 bucks for a happy mean I 'get' to eat

07:57:43 decimation: i think mcd has raised their prices somewhat, not sure

07:57:48 mircea_popescu: decimation the difference is negligible from where i'm sitting!!!1

07:58:20 mircea_popescu: http://www.fastfoodmenuprices.com/mcdonalds-prices/

07:58:22 assbot: McDonalds Prices - Fast Food Menu Prices ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0qyDO )

07:58:24 decimation: the problem is, even if I were to purchase a house with say, gold or bitcoin

07:58:27 mircea_popescu: am i reading this right ? it's like 3 bux ?

07:58:42 decimation: I would still be trading an asset for something valued in loaned-bezzlars

07:59:09 mircea_popescu: decimation this is why it only makes sense to buy it as a loan, on good terms.

07:59:10 decimation: they used to have a 'dollar' menu

07:59:42 mircea_popescu: this is so mind boggling.

07:59:44 decimation: well, it is certainly the case that it is hard to find a bank that pays more than 1% on your savings account

07:59:52 ben_vulpes: "deflation"?

07:59:52 mircea_popescu: seriously, food at the cost of a shoeshine ?

08:00:07 decimation: but it's also impossible to find a 30-year fixed at less than 3.5

08:00:21 mircea_popescu: decimation wide spreads predict disaster.

08:00:43 decimation: well, they are essentially 'vanity' prices

08:01:02 decimation: for instance, almost no us banks (to my knowledge) offer 30-years cd's

08:01:21 decimation: the only reason 30-year fixed exists in the us is because of 'popular demand'

08:01:46 mircea_popescu: i dunno who would buy a nominal cd anyway.

08:01:57 mircea_popescu: so technically, no banks offer cds at all.

08:03:10 decimation: the banking system is a propaganda wrapper around usg/fed bank ownership

08:03:51 mircea_popescu: amusingly, the fed is actually a private partnership

08:04:20 mircea_popescu: but anyway : as in the centrally controlled economy of the socialist state, so in the us : the "private" sector is a wrapper around the politburo.

08:04:44 mircea_popescu: and the "workers" are a wrapper around that wrapper. in the sense a rectum is a wrapper around the condom wrapped around the cock.

08:06:28 decimation: but they are 'free'

08:07:04 mircea_popescu: everyone's free who wants to be.

08:11:45 decimation: the latest fed open market meeting strongly implied that rates will be low for a long time yet

08:11:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00035691 = 5.3358 BTC [+]

08:11:54 decimation: rather than the scheduled increase in 6 months

08:12:14 decimation: because oil halved, therefore 'the deflation' scare is on

08:14:10 mircea_popescu: it's so amusing for me to see the situation of 1980s japan imported pretty much all over the north atlantic.

08:14:27 decimation: actuall the 3% FNMA mortgage-backed security is on a bull run http://www.mortgagenewsdaily.com/mbs/charts.aspx?Product=FNMA30&interval=4

08:14:28 assbot: MBS Live ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0t90x )

08:16:05 decimation: the implication being that serious folks with lots of bezzlars see a 3% 30-year loan as a great investment - which is telling about expectations of the future

08:16:16 mircea_popescu: well... it would be wouldn't it ? look how well freddie mac did

08:16:26 mircea_popescu: (it did do great - the bankers made money, that's the benchmark)

08:16:38 decimation: if the us becomes japan for the next 30 years, then it is a great deal

08:17:02 mircea_popescu: japan was a nation, and those three decades nigh on crumbled it.

08:17:30 mircea_popescu: a federation, like the us ? the austro-hungarian empire didn't last five years of harship.

08:18:59 decimation: yeah that's a good point

08:19:10 decimation: with that, I bid good evening.

08:19:16 decimation: !down decimation

08:20:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.b-a.link/?date=01-02-2015#1001103 << for the record : sexualisation as a matter of fact, not as a matter of convention (ie, irrespectiver of the sex object's "consent") is part and parcel of feminity.

08:20:33 assbot: Logged on 01-02-2015 06:55:36; assbot: HYSTERIA | CONSENT ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0h0Zr )

08:20:41 mircea_popescu: this is what it MEANS to be a woman.

08:21:26 mircea_popescu: a reconstruction of some sort of imaginary alternative is no different from any other synthetic product : like the transsexual, like the roman eunuch or later italian castrato, like all other exercises in artifexery.

08:22:14 mircea_popescu: now, that such a matter of fact is a flimsy ground for assault, and has no good reason to escalate to battery is certainly true.

08:22:43 mircea_popescu: but de minima non curat lex.

08:23:57 cazalla: <mircea_popescu> cazalla nice month yo. <<< hopefully february will dwarf it

08:24:06 ben_vulpes: i've been considering how to present this to the "feminists" in my vicinity

08:24:10 mircea_popescu: well, if it doesn't im sure march will.

08:24:45 ben_vulpes: the "objectification is part and parcel of having a cunt" line takes more delicacy and subtlety than i've yet cultivated.

08:24:52 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes sadly it's the equivalent of the beatings. women grok wtf it all means, by virtue of their existential quality of being women. little girls, of whatever age, even 50 should they be, have no avenue to comprehend wtf is being said.

08:25:14 ben_vulpes: yeah

08:25:23 mircea_popescu: so they fly in a girlish rage, which is fine and perfectly comprehensible, and even self aware

08:25:24 ben_vulpes: trick being to deliver the beatings without going to jail in this here country

08:25:29 mircea_popescu: she calls the thing hysteria for this reason.

08:26:19 mircea_popescu: anyway, one shouldn't be a doctor for people who aren't patients. not your job to solve people's problems, especially those htey do not care to have solved.

08:26:24 ben_vulpes: a few are right on the cusp, but it's taken years to get them there

08:27:29 ben_vulpes: "one shouldn't be a doctor" << the doctoring's forced on one

08:27:32 mircea_popescu: you will find that cusp can be quite wide. it's like an untrained orgasmer going "i'm almost there".

08:27:45 ben_vulpes: myeah

08:28:04 ben_vulpes: control problems, control problems everywhere.

08:28:30 *: ben_vulpes ponders the unintentional double entendre

08:28:35 mircea_popescu: lol

08:28:42 mircea_popescu: i took it for intentional.

08:28:49 ben_vulpes: i'm not really that bright it turns out

08:28:52 mircea_popescu: you know foxy, at this rate you ain't roasting jack.

08:28:58 mircea_popescu: by which i mean the rabbit.

08:29:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38742 @ 0.00035691 = 13.8274 BTC [+]

08:29:11 ben_vulpes: who said i wanted to!

08:29:25 ben_vulpes: who said i wanted to wade hip deep into cpp or straighten out everyones mental models

08:29:34 mircea_popescu: remember! in case of problems : cunt! roll!

08:29:51 cazalla: http://ia700603.us.archive.org/21/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824.171.0.pdf short of it "This letter is submitted in response to the government?s January 29, 2015, letter seeking preclusion of the expert testimony of proposed defense witness Andreas M. Antonopoulos."

08:29:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0vI2F )

08:30:11 mircea_popescu: cazalla which case is this ?

08:30:51 ben_vulpes: (i roast none better than myself. it's a...skill.)

08:30:58 cazalla: mircea_popescu, take a guess!

08:31:01 mircea_popescu: and does the govt letter go "we object to the inclusion of this witness as mr antonopoulos is actually... in a word... dead." ?

08:31:22 ben_vulpes: lol your grip on the fabric of reality isn't that stiff yet boss

08:31:56 cazalla: none other than United States v. Ross Ulbricht.. he's fkn sunk with derp on the stand

08:58:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17284 @ 0.00035691 = 6.1688 BTC [+]

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09:14:16 ben_vulpes: samO_: your cloak is getting applied after you join channels

09:14:20 ben_vulpes: *** samO_ (~samO@109-92-79-197.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs) has joined channel #bitcoin-assets

09:14:35 ben_vulpes: !up samO_

09:26:24 PeterL: http://dpaste.com/0JA0FZA#wrap

09:26:25 assbot: dpaste: 0JA0FZA: How downloading the Bitcoin blockchain should work ... ( http://bit.ly/18EwsRk )

09:31:12 ben_vulpes: PeterL!

09:31:21 PeterL: yes?

09:31:23 ben_vulpes: you've been reading logs, haven't you.

09:31:29 PeterL: always

09:32:51 ben_vulpes: PeterL: are you getting conned this spring?

09:33:02 PeterL: conned?

09:33:08 ben_vulpes: $conference

09:33:18 ben_vulpes: fraudsters.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/

09:33:31 PeterL: oh, no, no job atm, can't afford it

09:33:56 PeterL: by the way, if anybody needs a chemist, I'm looking for work now

09:34:21 ben_vulpes: what kind of chemistry d'you do?

09:34:30 PeterL: organic mostly

09:35:00 ben_vulpes: while we're on the topic, a single node should never be a single source of blocks.

09:35:05 PeterL: small molecule synthesis is what I've been doing the past 3 years

09:35:33 ben_vulpes: dunno about how many n's would be involved but in terms of *should*, blocks *should* be checked against a few peers.

09:35:35 PeterL: yes, there would ideally be more that one connection open at a time

09:36:01 ben_vulpes: (if multiple peers are available, and the implementation's coding is up to the concurrency)

09:36:22 PeterL: does RI do multiple connections yet?

09:36:25 ben_vulpes: lolno

09:36:34 PeterL: on the wish list?

09:36:44 ben_vulpes: or if it's opening them it sure as hell isn't doing anything with them

09:37:11 ben_vulpes: yeah, call it the wish list.

09:37:27 ben_vulpes: truth be told, frere, the RI's just that. it's not supposed to be fancy or anything.

09:38:05 ben_vulpes: gets blocks, barfs blocks, relays transactions. i've not heard any serious arguments for inclusion of additional functionality beyond that.

09:41:30 ben_vulpes: !gettrust assbot PinkPosixPXE

09:41:31 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user PinkPosixPXE: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/PinkPosixPXE | http://w.b-a.link/user/PinkPosixPXE

09:41:57 ben_vulpes: !gettrust assbot mod6

09:41:58 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user mod6: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 7 via 7 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/mod6 | http://w.b-a.link/user/mod6

09:42:31 ben_vulpes: !gettrust assbot jurov

09:42:32 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user jurov: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 18 via 18 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/jurov | http://w.b-a.link/user/jurov

10:11:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83150 @ 0.00035702 = 29.6862 BTC [+] {2}

10:14:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00094591 = 1.4189 BTC [-] {17}

10:18:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1250 @ 0.00092122 = 1.1515 BTC [-] {8}

10:28:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55491 @ 0.00035732 = 19.828 BTC [+] {2}

10:43:53 PeterL: mircea_popescu:a federation, like the us ? << nominally US is a federation, but between the FedGov usurping power from the states, free movement of people between the states, and the mass-produced commercialized 'culture', the US is pretty homogenous; we think of ourselfs as USians rather than $myState-ians.

10:49:36 ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/02/01_hacking-on-the-satoshi-codebase-some-pointers.html << to be outdated sometime in the next 30 days

10:49:37 assbot: Hacking on the Satoshi Codebase: Some Pointers ... ( http://bit.ly/1CmW0P3 )

10:50:28 ben_vulpes: i'll go further, PeterL, $myStatism is actually discouraged by *all* political groups.

10:50:55 PeterL: nah, there are some who are adamantly Texan

10:51:23 PeterL: kind of the exception though

10:54:51 ben_vulpes: sure, exceptions exist

10:55:10 ben_vulpes: lets not bother ourselves with 3/4 sigma shit tho.

10:57:19 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/01/jooz-and-stereotypes/

10:57:20 assbot: Jooz and stereotypes. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1yo4uiC )

10:58:37 pete_dushenski: ^for those english-speaking hebrewphiles interested in sabbatai zevi and eretz israel

10:58:47 pete_dushenski: and other things

10:58:58 pete_dushenski: and now ima pass the fuck out.

10:59:38 ben_vulpes: sweet dreams, pete

11:07:01 PeterL: Rather than having all the magic numbers hard coded into the RI, should there be some sort of config file? Stuff like the DNS seeds, number of bastard blocks to hold onto, number of connections to make, etc?

11:10:58 ben_vulpes: PeterL: yeah, it'd be nice to get everything configified

11:11:33 ben_vulpes: it's not entirely out of the question that the ri could even be coerced into hooking onto arbitrary altchains with well-done configuration

11:11:55 ben_vulpes: question being the same as one would have for the matchstick eiffel tower engineer

11:12:01 ben_vulpes: "why?"

11:45:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3054 @ 0.00094981 = 2.9007 BTC [+] {4}

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12:26:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187544 @ 0.00035325 = 66.2499 BTC [-] {3}

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13:22:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80800 @ 0.00035808 = 28.9329 BTC [+] {3}

13:40:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00035074 = 15.2572 BTC [-]

13:55:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.00035074 = 11.8375 BTC [-]

14:02:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83634 @ 0.00036026 = 30.13 BTC [+] {2}

14:38:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00035311 = 10.3108 BTC [-]

14:53:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35450 @ 0.00035311 = 12.5177 BTC [-]

15:05:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79097 @ 0.00035039 = 27.7148 BTC [-] {2}

15:06:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92903 @ 0.00034898 = 32.4213 BTC [-] {2}

15:44:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128135 @ 0.00034757 = 44.5359 BTC [-] {3}

15:49:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76850 @ 0.00035056 = 26.9405 BTC [+]

16:17:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51777 @ 0.00034562 = 17.8952 BTC [-] {2}

16:40:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71600 @ 0.00035267 = 25.2512 BTC [+] {2}

17:09:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81511 @ 0.00035425 = 28.8753 BTC [+] {2}

17:30:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157450 @ 0.00034671 = 54.5895 BTC [-] {2}

17:36:07 thestringpuller: ss

18:10:39 mats: http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/cultivated-disinterest-in-professional-sports relevant

18:10:41 assbot: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports | copyrighteous ... ( http://bit.ly/1BLxvpy )

18:11:16 mats: http://www.shaunagm.net/blog/2011/11/the-peoples-team re: Green Bay

18:11:19 assbot: The People’s Team | shauna gordon-mckeon | blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1BLxJgl )

18:11:35 mats: guess i should watch sports so i can relate to peasants...

18:12:41 mats: punkman: thanks, will peruse

18:15:17 kakobrekla: cultivated-disinterest-in-professional-sports relevant < to what ?

18:19:22 kakobrekla: stupid article with stupid comments

18:20:27 TheNewDeal: isn't that what the internet was invented for?

18:21:16 kakobrekla: why add fuel to fire

18:24:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33778 @ 0.00034602 = 11.6879 BTC [-] {2}

18:28:42 BingoBoingo: Fun Fact, if Marshawn Lynch grabs his crotch on the field he will be fined the same $500,000 BitPay paid for their Bowl game

18:30:03 TheNewDeal: anyone see that Conan bit with Marshawn playing Mortal Combat?

18:30:41 TheNewDeal: actually not a horrible waste of 11 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNpkSyryQz4

18:30:43 assbot: Marshawn Lynch and Rob Gronkowski Play "Mortal Kombat X" With Conan O'Brien - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vo4eo4 )

18:30:46 BingoBoingo: I haven't

18:31:24 TheNewDeal: I guess Conan has a recurring bit called "Clueless Gamer"

18:40:29 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/mighty-deeds/

18:40:30 assbot: Mighty Deeds ... ( http://bit.ly/1vo4tQ9 )

18:47:39 mats: kakobrekla: whoops, i copied that message wholesale from another window. meant to share just the link.

18:48:01 kakobrekla: well here, relevant http://xkcd.com

18:48:02 assbot: xkcd: Super Bowl ... ( http://bit.ly/1617o5l )

18:48:04 mats: but i suppose it'd be relevant to americans, today being the Superb Owl

18:51:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72164 @ 0.00036269 = 26.1732 BTC [+] {3}

18:52:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2954 @ 0.00036573 = 1.0804 BTC [+]

19:09:47 TheNewDeal: TomServo what's your status

19:11:10 kakobrekla: have some lulz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=942404.0;topicseen

19:11:11 assbot: Who is Mircea Popescu?? ... ( http://bit.ly/161e2s8 )

19:11:53 TomServo: TheNewDeal: sup

19:19:09 mircea_popescu: lol so that coinswap thing ran off huh

19:19:24 TheNewDeal: Wondering if you are interested in a meetup today

19:19:44 BingoBoingo: Well, GAW bought it. They still seem to take deposits. Just not so keep on the withdrawals business

19:20:35 mircea_popescu: lol

19:20:36 kakobrekla: withdrawals have been deprecated.

19:20:43 mircea_popescu: ^

19:20:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1276 @ 0.00096954 = 1.2371 BTC [-] {2}

19:20:52 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal who, me ?

19:21:04 TheNewDeal: TomServo

19:21:15 mircea_popescu: a sorry

19:21:19 TheNewDeal: not a problem

19:21:50 ben_vulpes: withdrawals are an antipatten

19:22:01 ben_vulpes: does anyone have a recommendation for an x11 friendly browser?

19:22:02 mircea_popescu: antipatten on teh bakken ?

19:22:11 mircea_popescu: lynx!

19:22:35 ben_vulpes: i guess i gotta, huh

19:22:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1403 @ 0.00096954 = 1.3603 BTC [-] {3}

19:23:34 ben_vulpes: mnah i don't think that's actually going to work so well

19:26:48 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: xxxterm

19:27:10 mircea_popescu: isn't that for pronz only ?

19:27:24 BingoBoingo: Well, is the web for the same thing?

19:27:48 mircea_popescu: a right

19:29:13 BingoBoingo: fraudsters, and Qntra look pretty good in xxxterm

19:29:38 mircea_popescu: :p

19:29:53 BingoBoingo: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-boy-suspended-bringing-ring-power-school-article-1.2099103

19:29:54 assbot: Texas boy suspended after bringing 'ring of power' to school - NY Daily News ... ( http://bit.ly/161jXh2 )

19:30:23 BingoBoingo: xxxterm is an actual browser though, perfect for ben_vulpes

19:36:29 jurov: sooo.. asciilifeform sent email with wordwrapped-after-clearsigned text and with attachemnts bigger than 1024k limit

19:36:36 jurov: fixed and published

19:37:32 jurov: i never thought it will become channel for binaries distribution

19:39:44 decimation: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/january/31/march-to-folly-in-ukraine/ << " Yet Washington just announced that by spring, it will deploy unspecified numbers of military “trainers” to Ukraine to help build Kiev’s ramshackle national guard. Also being sent are significant numbers of US special heavy, mine resistant armored vehicles that have been widely used in Afghanistan and Iraq. The US and

19:39:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/161mDLs )

19:39:46 decimation: Poland are currently covertly supplying Ukraine with some weapons."

19:40:18 decimation: I would like someone in usg to explain to little people like me why 1) poking russia with a stick is a good idea and 2.) what possible good could come from it

19:43:42 trinque: decimation: this time it will be different.

19:43:55 trinque: the USA is a hyperpower... etc

19:44:09 mircea_popescu: amusingly, orwell has a quote about this very thing.

19:44:34 mircea_popescu: "In one story in the ROVER, for instance, somebody has a tame bear, and as it is a Russian bear, it is nicknamed Trotsky?obviously an echo of the 1917-23 period and not of recent controversies. The clock has stopped at 1910. Britannia rules the waves, and no one has heard of slumps, booms, unemployment, dictatorships, purges or concentration camps."

19:45:01 BingoBoingo: http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2015/01/17/the-real-reason-that-roger-ver-renounced-us-citizenship/

19:45:03 assbot: The Isaac Brock Society | The real reason that Roger Ver renounced US citizenship ... ( http://bit.ly/161oaBo )

19:45:23 mats: decimation: brinksmanship is how this game is played, yo.

19:45:43 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-january-2015-statement/

19:45:59 mats: what does USG care if Putin shuts off the gas?

19:46:26 decimation: mats: what 'game'? is usg trying to gain a colony in eastern europe

19:46:54 mats: i seriously doubt there's an actual end game, but they'll keep playing anyways

19:46:57 BingoBoingo: http://gorillarabbit.net/posts/

19:46:58 assbot: Posts | Gorilla Rabbit ... ( http://bit.ly/161oIam )

19:47:17 mircea_popescu: gotta keep playin'!!1

19:47:33 mats: maybe they wanna put up moar missile sites near .ru

19:47:36 mircea_popescu: who's isaac broc ?

19:47:38 trinque: the game is just pumping up defense spending

19:47:57 trinque: rather, there's no game and it's a runaway process of it's own

19:48:16 decimation: I guess. Like, if there were anti-us rebels in mexico, I think usg would be seriously pissed if russia sent troops to support them

19:48:19 trinque: more enemies == dear god man, look at the stock market!!11!!!

19:48:32 mats: gotta fight Putin, you know, the man's "evil" and not a true Christian, etc...

19:48:55 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Either a British Officer/Administrator who fought America in 1812 or the lead singer of Modest Mouse

19:49:16 mircea_popescu: lol

19:49:34 decimation: mats: actually that's another point - it seems to me that we have more of an interest in giving putin a little of what he wants in exchange for helping put a lid on the crazy muslims

19:49:50 mircea_popescu: dat passive aggressive ro\ger ver bs.,

19:49:50 mircea_popescu: After being told by the US attorney that I would be sent to jail for seven or eight years if I took my case to trial I signed a plea agreement. At the sentencing the judge asked me if anyone threatened or coerced me in any way to sign the plea agreement. When I said ?Yes, absolutely,? the judge?s eyes became very wide and he asked ?what do you mean?? I explained that the US attorney told me that he would send

19:49:50 mircea_popescu: me to jail for seven or eight years if I didn?t sign the plea agreement. The judge responded that that was not what he was asking about, so I replied that I must not understand what it means to be threatened or coerced. The judge then proceeded to lecture me extensively on politics. He carried on about why government is so important and how ?taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society? and that government

19:49:53 mircea_popescu: is wonderful in general. He summed up his lecture by telling me that, ?I don?t want you to think that your political views have anything to do with why you are here today,? and then sentenced me to serve ten months in federal prison.

19:49:57 mircea_popescu: wtf, srsly ? that's it ?

19:50:03 mircea_popescu: "i signed it, but i TOLD MOM I DUN LIKLE IT!!11"

19:50:30 mircea_popescu: trying to take these schmoes seriously is not unlike trying to make an army of toddlers.

19:50:41 mats: decimation: if there was anybody bright running the show, they'd exactly cave to Putin and let him slaughter the muslamics in europe

19:50:42 mircea_popescu: "don't chew on the gun, billy! stand up tommy!"

19:50:47 trinque: lol

19:50:54 mats: solve that problem rightaway

19:51:07 decimation: mats: yeah I think we are on the same page

19:51:11 mircea_popescu: mats putin is not as against teh muslims as you imagine.

19:52:20 mircea_popescu: i'll bet you as a for instance that the way he sees it, the muslims taking over europe east of the danube is perfect, inasmuch as they'll do away with the feminists, transsexuals, redditards etceteras on their own dime.

19:52:42 mats: i didn't mean to venture that he wanted to own more of europe

19:52:45 jurov: you mean west of the danube?

19:52:53 mats: much like nobody wants detroit

19:52:57 decimation: yeah, in somalia

19:53:16 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000039.html << ty jurov

19:53:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zKPVvv )

19:53:24 asciilifeform: danielpbarron ^

19:54:26 mircea_popescu: and by east of the danube i mean west of the danube, of course

19:55:05 asciilifeform: obligatory >>>> http://poetry.about.com/od/poemsbytitleb/l/blkiplingballadeastandwest.htm

19:55:07 assbot: The Ballad of East and West by Rudyard Kipling ... ( http://bit.ly/1zKQaqr )

19:55:09 decimation: why don't muslims settle in romania and moldova?

19:55:23 trinque: muslims don't seem to "settle"

19:56:38 jurov: decimation, these countries are not welcoming to any immigrants

19:56:45 trinque: ah I misunderstood

19:57:12 trinque: there are european countries that are actually resisting being invaded?

19:58:18 decimation: jurov: those countries don't have a problem sending emigrants to other countries...

19:58:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49400 @ 0.00036573 = 18.0671 BTC [+]

19:58:32 jurov: so?

19:58:42 decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe << has a map

19:58:45 assbot: Islam in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zKQKVb )

19:59:25 trinque: decimation: wow, that would not have been my assumption given the proximity of eastern europe..

20:01:18 jurov: eastern europe is deeply suspicious of any immigrants

20:02:11 BingoBoingo: Eastern Europe sounds a lot like Wisconsin or Minnesota, except less Nordic

20:03:08 mircea_popescu: nah. eastern europe is basically astoria, queens and brooklyn

20:03:14 mircea_popescu: except much larger.

20:03:35 BingoBoingo: Ah

20:04:01 mats: this makes me sad about my options

20:04:02 mircea_popescu: (and contrary to what everyone is willing to admit, it actually includes italy and about half of germany plus austria)

20:04:39 decimation: poor Vienna, her star has fallen thus

20:04:52 mats: i dun really wanna go back to asia and i worry about being able to fit in, in sudamerica

20:04:56 mircea_popescu: lol fallen. vienna's stars ARE BUILT OF THUS.

20:05:16 decimation: heh yeah that is true

20:05:25 mircea_popescu: this eastern europe = sucks thing is new, really. what do oyu think tyhe blue danube is about, normandy ?

20:06:02 mircea_popescu: mats ever tried it ?

20:06:23 mircea_popescu: certainly the women look a lot less like perambulating pancakes.

20:06:28 mats: rude

20:06:34 mircea_popescu: that's me.

20:06:46 mats: you hate me

20:06:51 mircea_popescu: i don't hate you lol.

20:07:05 mats: i'm kidding. but no, i haven't been to south america yet

20:07:13 mircea_popescu: well so then why worry.

20:07:24 *: trinque imagines if/when he ever moves, his accent will get him beaten in an alley somewhere

20:07:34 mircea_popescu: an

20:07:46 mircea_popescu: i tell you something else : teh muslims are reasonably fun to be around.

20:07:49 decimation: I'm not implying that eastern europe sucks, what I meant was that their fortunes have changed such that they are no longer a proud empire, but instead a collection of wayward sheep

20:08:04 mircea_popescu: for one thing, you don't have to explain to them that your harem's your harem and what's it for.

20:08:16 mircea_popescu: when talking things through with teenaged cunt such cultural support helps.

20:09:08 mircea_popescu: decimation revolution really means rotation, you know ? this is what europe does, essentially it's a falling rods press for other people.

20:09:55 decimation: aye, no nation or empire possesses the 'conch shell' forever

20:13:02 mircea_popescu: trinque dude, if i could find a hundred people willing to beat up anyone in an alley on the basis of their accent in this country

20:13:09 mircea_popescu: i'd have been inaugurated president like yesterday.

20:13:24 mircea_popescu: the current one only has like... 3. and they're inept.

20:25:30 kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/1W/pf/PPsJe7S/slika-z-jadrana-jebemti-.jpg

20:25:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zKUSVg )

20:27:04 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

20:29:07 kakobrekla: this is how eastern europe is like

20:31:09 mircea_popescu: hungry for more ?

20:32:00 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2014#570183 << obligatory

20:32:00 assbot: Logged on 20-03-2014 14:20:09; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'cum se suge pula' << can't help but associate this in my head with the finnish proverb, 'Pillu se on pulullakin'

20:33:01 mircea_popescu: mut raja se o reij?ll?kin

20:36:56 danielpbarron: well i got asciilifeform's bastard binary working (or would anyone prefer i try traditional) on my pogoplug; still setting up an environment to build it myself (sorry i'm kinda rusty at all this)

20:37:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74200 @ 0.00036573 = 27.1372 BTC [+]

20:37:46 mircea_popescu: i think traditional's dead.

20:37:58 mircea_popescu: i had hoped it may pull through, but...

20:38:48 asciilifeform: that means one or more of you lot are stuck with the misery of actually reading that patch.

20:38:54 asciilifeform: because all four of my Shiva-hands are full.

20:39:48 danielpbarron: "blocks" : 24500,

20:42:19 danielpbarron: and it just died

20:43:25 asciilifeform: died silently ?

20:44:04 danielpbarron: not sure what that means

20:44:12 danielpbarron: i was watching debug.log

20:44:14 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: no output?

20:44:27 danielpbarron: it was running as daemon

20:44:50 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: run in console as nohup /path/to/bitcoind -datadir /wherever/you/have/it &

20:45:03 asciilifeform: then see nohup.out for stdout

20:46:46 mircea_popescu: ^

20:47:45 xanthyos: http://i.gyazo.com/6c04a4bb024f02eb0cbb9f5a72f94700.png

20:47:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zKYEOj )

20:48:23 danielpbarron: Error: Specified directory does not exist

20:50:09 trinque: after reading that article which mentioned the coy response I see it *everywhere*

20:50:16 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: change the paths to equal yours, srsly

20:50:59 danielpbarron: i did lol

20:51:12 danielpbarron: not that stupid :p

20:52:10 asciilifeform: -datadir=

20:52:12 asciilifeform: damn.

20:53:43 BingoBoingo: Nice family xanthyos

20:53:55 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: and find out whether process actually died, or merely went into one of the up to hour-long fugues the bastard bitcoind goes into when everybody it connects to wants nothing but to supply bastards

20:54:04 danielpbarron: ah i see

20:54:17 asciilifeform: though normally this is extremely noisy on debug.log

20:54:45 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/preet-bharara-and-dratel-battle-over-defense-witness-plain-text-of-filings/

21:01:10 mircea_popescu: trinque duh.

21:01:22 mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is what college is you kno ?

21:01:32 mircea_popescu: that place where you hear things that then restructure your perception.

21:02:21 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the us is now fighting indians with indians ?

21:02:37 BingoBoingo: Looks like it

21:03:04 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> danielpbarron: and find out whether process actually died, or merely went into one of the up to hour-long fugues the bastard bitcoind goes into when everybody it connects to wants nothing but to supply bastards << in these fuges, does it report that "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade." ?

21:04:25 danielpbarron: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'

21:07:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47172 @ 0.00036642 = 17.2848 BTC [+] {3}

21:11:25 asciilifeform: does it report that "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct!... << not here.

21:11:44 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: that's a standard oomkill

21:11:54 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: didja start with a brand-new blockchain ?

21:12:08 asciilifeform: and with nothing substantial else running on the box

21:12:12 ben_vulpes: so xxxterm furned into xombrero which maintained by conformal?

21:12:15 ben_vulpes: plot!

21:12:34 danielpbarron: asciilifeform, ya

21:12:58 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It did

21:16:11 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/aseara-fusei-la-una/

21:29:05 danielpbarron: started it over again, this time it's up to height=52820 still going

21:29:18 danielpbarron: without tail -f running

21:32:46 mircea_popescu: cazalla fwiw, the state has an ironclad case for rejecting the proposed testimony.

21:33:00 mircea_popescu: it was ineptly introduced.

21:33:01 xanthyos: got a new windows 8 machine and i really don't like what computers have become

21:33:11 xanthyos: i miss the mechanical red switch on my 286

21:34:31 asciilifeform: actual computers not banned yet

21:34:32 asciilifeform: get one.

21:34:41 asciilifeform: it'll cost more after ban.

21:35:21 xanthyos: i wonder how much the hardware itself is compromised regardless of the OS i use

21:35:59 xanthyos: i don't like the concept of "apps"

21:36:58 xanthyos: noone has to look for the exe anymore

21:37:52 cazalla: i don't think they have for a long time xanthyos, which is why 18f_tits.jpg.exe worked so well lol

21:38:18 mats: probably all, xanthyos

21:38:37 asciilifeform: coprophagia is, yet, (for now!) a voluntary thing.

21:38:40 xanthyos: heh

21:41:09 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I was mostly interested in linking the zombie's name to the NeoBee thing yet again. There's little left in the Ulbricht case capable of being interesting until appeals are filed.

21:41:23 BingoBoingo: And Preet isn't objecting on inpetness of the introduction.

21:41:47 mircea_popescu: well yes, that part is funny. preet is objecting to the defense calling its own witnesses because "the government already did that"

21:42:09 mircea_popescu: as if that's how things work. but hey, in obamaland, north of chad, that's exactly how they do work

21:42:15 mircea_popescu: and who's to know any better ?

21:42:18 mats: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/intel-active-management-technology.html << ships 'off by default'. backdoor.

21:42:19 assbot: Intel® Active Management Technology (Intel® AMT) ... ( http://bit.ly/161Ws7l )

21:43:57 danielpbarron: it's hung up on block 56154 but still running and receiving data

21:44:35 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My personal interpretation of the filing is that Preet want the record to reflect objecting to Andreas, while not successfull preventing the zombie's testimony.

21:47:23 mircea_popescu: mebbe.

21:50:50 BingoBoingo: Too mebbe to make that explicit in the summary.

21:52:41 mircea_popescu: myea

21:53:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00036405 = 7.5722 BTC [-]

21:56:45 trinque: mircea_popescu | that place where you hear things that then restructure your perception. << I went to a shitty public institution, found it a waste of my time, departed early. I would've loved to experience such a place, glad I stumbled in here.

21:58:50 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cazalla going by https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net re top sites / audience interests : mebbe it's worth your time to write to pando, silicon angle writers (individually) see if they want to submit a piece for qntra ?

21:58:51 assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1z30vvN )

21:59:16 mircea_popescu: gotta start unraveling the worm sometime/somewhere.

21:59:36 BingoBoingo: Sounds like a plan.

22:05:18 mircea_popescu: PeterL: nominally US is a federation, but [..] << the argument that austro-hungary was a federation of nations, whereas the us is a federation of nobodies does not in fact bolster its prospects to any degree.

22:06:45 mircea_popescu: yes, you're righyt, which is why the "Indivisibiliter ac Inseparabiliter" domains of His Imperial and Royal Apostolic Majesty, FJ yielded stuff like the bohemian kingdom.

22:07:02 mircea_popescu: whereas an ozarks duchy seems improbable on the face.

22:09:49 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> whereas an ozarks duchy seems improbable on the face. << A singular Ozark Dutchy yes, but a collection of Ozark hamlets that in confederation raids Kansas with some regularity is possible

22:09:59 mircea_popescu: and quite likely.

22:12:33 BingoBoingo: Chicagoland might live on as a very poor Duchy

22:13:02 trinque: it's my understanding that chiraq is pretty well armed

22:13:45 trinque: maybe we get a hip-hop producing boko haram out of it

22:13:46 BingoBoingo: trinque: Sure, but so are the near rural areas which don't like Chicagoland

22:13:55 trinque: true enough

22:14:14 mircea_popescu: incidentally, since we're on this topic :

22:14:16 mircea_popescu: Franz Joseph von Gottes Gnaden Erw?hlter R?mischer Kaiser allzeit Mehrer des Reiches Erblicher Kaiser von ?sterreich K?nig von Germanien; Apostolischer K?nig von Ungarn; K?nig von B?hmen Dalmatien Kroatien Slawonien Galizien Lodomerien und Illyrien ; K?nig von Jerusalem etc.; Erzherzog von ?sterreich; Gro?herzog von Toskana und Krakau ; Herzog von Lothringen Salzburg W?rzburg Franken Steiermark K?rnten Krai

22:14:16 mircea_popescu: n und der Bukowina ; Gro?f?rst von Siebenb?rgen ; Markgraf von M?hren ; Herzog von Sandomir Masowien Lublin Ober- und Nieder schlesien Modena Parma Piacenza Guastalla Auschwitz Zator Teschen Friaul Ragusa und Zara ; Gef?rsteter Graf von Habsburg und Tirol Kyburg G?rz und Gradisca; F?rst von Trient und Brixen ; Markgraf von Ober- und Nieder lausitz und in Istrien ; Graf von Hohenems Feldkirch Bregenz Sonnenberg e

22:14:17 mircea_popescu: tc.; Herr von Triest von Cattaro und auf der windischen Mark; Gro?woiwode der Woiwodschaft Serbien ; Prinz von Berchtesgaden und Mergentheim und so weiter.

22:14:21 mircea_popescu: note the usw = and so forth.

22:14:43 mircea_popescu: now imagine it in the us you know, herzog of frankfort and ruler of the kansas marches

22:15:45 mircea_popescu: (a marsh is not a swamp, but a disputed and difficult to defend border land. which is to say a swamp.)

22:16:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 320 @ 0.00577078 = 1.8466 BTC [-] {16}

22:19:55 BingoBoingo: trinque: I think the Chicagoland Duchy may at sometimes though claim influence as far south as Peoria, might raid as far south as Kentucky, but doubt they wil get to St Louis with regularity seeing the problem the river represents

22:20:33 mircea_popescu: the margrave of chicago eh ?

22:21:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68100 @ 0.00036332 = 24.7421 BTC [-] {2}

22:22:15 BingoBoingo: I imagine it as a sort of Byzantium, well placed, but not really loved by anyone.

22:25:13 BingoBoingo: It might be just as likely Chicago exists as a Vassal state of Archer Daniel Midland of Western Illinois in one of the the greatest reversals on the bezzel order.

22:25:55 BingoBoingo: ;;google Forgotonia

22:25:56 gribble: Forgottonia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgottonia; Kadner: 'Forgotonia' may lose planned Illiana Expressway ...: http://southtownstar.suntimes.com/news/kadner/22647489-452/kadner-forgotonia-may-lose-planned-illiana-expressway.html; McDonough County, Illinois, USA - Infobahn Outfitters: http://www.outfitters.com/illinois/mcdonough/

22:26:29 BingoBoingo: Western Illinois came closer to seceeding from Illinois than SOuthern Illinois ever did.

22:28:07 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/J.Reiner_-_Attentat_auf_Kaiser_Franz_Joseph.jpg << surprise buttseks ?!

22:35:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83450 @ 0.00036516 = 30.4726 BTC [+] {3}

22:44:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: turdogram incoming!

22:44:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: jan. `15 broadcast.

22:45:36 mircea_popescu: cool.

22:45:43 asciilifeform: damn, gpg mutilated my ascii art.

22:45:47 asciilifeform: my beautiful artz

22:47:08 mircea_popescu: lol

22:47:21 mircea_popescu: ascii arts is for fucking with.

22:47:56 mircea_popescu: decimation : re the "russia supporting independent mexico" thing : this has already ahppened. napoleon iii fromed a mexican monarchy, under maximillian. the us refused to recognise.

22:48:26 asciilifeform: who doesn't know about poor maximillian and his souvenir nose.

22:48:53 asciilifeform: (his firing squad, according to legend, was so large that he sorta fell apart, and various pieces were parcelled out as keepsakes)

22:49:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85950 @ 0.00037075 = 31.866 BTC [+] {2}

22:51:34 asciilifeform: blockheight=230170 (bastard node)

22:51:40 mircea_popescu: o hey

22:51:59 mircea_popescu: so explain again and in full detail what the bastardization consists of ?

22:52:08 asciilifeform: the skull'n'crossbones patch

22:52:12 danielpbarron: 56882 here, hasn't stopped since block 0 on this run

22:52:20 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html <<<<< that one

22:52:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kfln4D )

22:52:47 asciilifeform: a backport of the bozos' mechanizm for purging bastards (in their lexicon, 'orphans')

22:52:57 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150130/asciilifeform-orphanage-burner_80eb450469d93b270aa160e26b4cdab732add2c4.patch

22:52:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yqROHJ )

22:52:59 mircea_popescu: by limiuting to 750 ?

22:53:01 asciilifeform: ^ readn'weep

22:53:09 asciilifeform: 750 << or any other constant

22:53:14 asciilifeform: in the binary danielpbarron is using, it's 250

22:53:19 mircea_popescu: i'd rather have an oral specification to go with the codical specification.

22:53:22 mircea_popescu: which is why i say.

22:53:52 asciilifeform: the magic constant that results in a usable 'pogo', if such exists, has not, afaik, been determined yet.

22:54:22 asciilifeform: the bozomatic bitcoin (0.9.something) has a command line flag to optionally specify this value

22:54:32 asciilifeform: i did not backport it, because didn't even think this would fly

22:54:48 asciilifeform: tried to keep the phoundation crud to a bare min.

22:55:27 asciilifeform: most of what you see in that patch is only there because the fuckers changed the data structure used to represent the bastard blocks

22:55:43 asciilifeform: a substantially more compact but logically-equivalent mechanism is possible, i dare say

22:55:48 asciilifeform: perhaps ben_vulpes ^^^^^ .

22:55:52 asciilifeform: or mod6

22:55:58 asciilifeform: or someone for fuck's sake other than meee plz

22:56:41 mircea_popescu: lol

22:57:01 asciilifeform: for instance, that marsaglia rng thing is probably unnecessary

22:57:14 asciilifeform: toss it, replace with call to whatever rng is presently in use

22:57:23 asciilifeform: now it's again half as long.

22:58:06 asciilifeform: i could have sworn we had other folks in here who can/willing-to program....

22:58:08 asciilifeform: chetty?!

22:58:24 mircea_popescu: what, you want eulora to take a year between releases too ?!

22:58:26 asciilifeform: lol

22:58:28 asciilifeform: nein

22:58:35 asciilifeform: teach the gurlz cpp or sumthing

22:58:51 mircea_popescu: who, amanda hess ?

22:58:55 asciilifeform: whozzat

22:59:05 asciilifeform: !s amanda hess

22:59:06 assbot: 2 results for 'amanda hess' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=amanda+hess

22:59:23 mircea_popescu: "I'm a Slate staff writer. I've reported on sex, Hollywood, teenagers, media, technology, and the ladies for places like WIRED, ESPN The Magazine, NYMag. com"

22:59:43 asciilifeform: l0l!!

22:59:57 mircea_popescu: aka "i'm one of about two hundred or so otherwise unemployable idiots my age that have made a confederacy and are trying to monopolize uninteresting but cheap media writing"

23:00:50 asciilifeform: speaking of which,

23:00:51 asciilifeform: http://qz.com/312464/in-china-highly-educated-women-are-mocked-as-a-sexless-third-gender

23:00:53 assbot: In China, highly educated women are mocked as a sexless “third gender” – Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1yqTGAh )

23:01:05 asciilifeform: ^ mega-lol

23:01:09 asciilifeform: 'nuns of no mercy'

23:01:39 mircea_popescu: this is, as you'd expect, a very convenient western misrepresentation.

23:01:44 asciilifeform: no shit.

23:02:20 mircea_popescu: "highly educated women are deeply respected and in high demand. highly offensive idiots who lay claim to an "education"they do not have but aspire to nevertheless "demonstrate" through circle jerking are despised and actively discouraged"

23:02:38 mircea_popescu: a distinction i see no problem with. amanda hess in chains is not a women's issue, it's a stupid women's issue.

23:04:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, re maximillian : he hung of his own hand, basically. man lands in mexico at the invitation of the elite, sees the conditions of the poor and figures "hey, this shocking difference i perceive from the situation in europe is in no sense and to no degree a warning to me! the right thing to do is obviously ignoring reality and behaving according to imagination!!!"

23:05:11 mircea_popescu: few years later, with the elite firmly pissed off and the liberals bolstered by the "hey, even the german emperor agrees with our ideas", he got what libertards generally get.

23:16:34 asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_I_of_Mexico#mediaviewer/File:The_Last_moments_of_Maximilian.jpg

23:16:37 assbot: Maximilian I of Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yqXO3d )

23:18:11 asciilifeform: unrelated,

23:18:32 asciilifeform: does anyone else find it remarkable how readily the 0.5.3.x irc seeding mechanism still works ?

23:18:49 asciilifeform: and when it was discarded by the phoundation? 0.6 ?

23:19:15 asciilifeform: would be interesting to see a robotic probe tell us wtf lurks in that channel

23:21:33 asciilifeform: likewise unrelated,

23:21:34 asciilifeform: http://www.royalforkblog.com

23:21:35 assbot: The Royal Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsauuU )

23:21:37 asciilifeform: ^ do we know him ?

23:22:23 mircea_popescu: nope

23:22:57 asciilifeform: pretty good expository work in there.

23:23:14 asciilifeform: http://www.royalforkblog.com/2014/08/11/graphical-address-generator

23:23:15 assbot: Graphical Address Generator ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsaVWf )

23:23:21 asciilifeform: http://www.royalforkblog.com/2014/11/20/txn-demo

23:23:22 assbot: Deconstructing Transactions ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsaXNI )

23:23:22 asciilifeform: etc

23:23:34 mircea_popescu: shot the guy an email.

23:26:12 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: "why?" << this thing where you embrace extend and run into the wall a reasonable idea is for teh dogs.

23:26:20 mircea_popescu: ri really shouldhave all the magic numbers in a config file.

23:26:27 asciilifeform: ^^^^^^

23:28:59 cazalla: looks like another bitcoin ad network calling it quits http://bitcoinads.com/sale.php

23:29:00 assbot: BitcoinAds - Contact ... ( http://bit.ly/1zscinK )

23:30:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 24 @ 0.06202125 = 1.4885 BTC [-] {5}

23:31:05 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: have some lulz << lol check out all the disinterested forum experts. ognasty, "Pool your bitcoins with others. Vote on solutions using the Bitcoin blockchain. " all sorts of laudable.

23:36:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71205 @ 0.0003593 = 25.584 BTC [-] {3}

23:41:18 asciilifeform: 'Software may be "open sourced" by various companies who depend on that software to do their business (Puppet, Chef and Go are all excellent examples of the pattern: monolithic software projects of such scale that they either approach or actually are their own languages for which the source is freely available, but the source for which nobody is really supposed to read), but in nearly all of those cases the code may as well be

23:41:18 asciilifeform: a closed hairball for all the interest the entities in question have in documenting and maintaining the various hairballs' (ben_vulpes's www)

23:41:51 asciilifeform: relates to, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#1000155 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#1000158 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#1000160

23:41:51 assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 19:51:38; asciilifeform: 'golang' is in the same league as apple's 'darwin' unix kernel. a whole zoological kingdom of pseudo-open, where, yes, theoretically you can read source, but it is not -for you-

23:41:51 assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 19:52:18; asciilifeform: and if interests of vendor conflict with yours in any way, the conflict will be subtly and perfidiously resolved in favour of vendor

23:41:51 assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 19:52:45; asciilifeform: the solution to turdlangs is, to crib from clinton era anti-dope slogan, 'be smart - don't start'

23:42:10 asciilifeform: i've been meaning to write an article on the subject of 'pseudo-open' for... ~5 yrs now

23:42:54 asciilifeform: had an early draft where it was phrased in a particularly comedic (unintentionally) way, where, parody of rms and his 'software freedoms,' the sqrt(-1)-th 'freedom' was to be 'freedom to understand'

23:43:47 asciilifeform: (meaning equal to 'fits in head')

23:45:20 asciilifeform: since this place is quiet, i will take the liberty to blather at length;

23:45:41 asciilifeform: for some years i earned bread as a 'reverse engineer'

23:46:21 asciilifeform: and i will say that none of the items i have worked with (and they were samples of malware, in some cases elaborately obfuscated) remotely approached the ugliness and gnarliness of bitcoind.

23:46:28 asciilifeform: and these were winblows binaries.

23:46:37 asciilifeform: again, will repeat, often elaborately obfuscated

23:47:19 asciilifeform: point of this story is that 'open' source that is not accessible to the human mind with reasonable effort, may as well be 'closed'

23:47:51 asciilifeform: and in fact, to present it as 'open' is an ethically questionable proposition

23:48:31 asciilifeform: and to answer the objections of possibly lurking idiots in advance - no, it is not because bitcoin is mathematically complicated

23:48:32 asciilifeform: it isn't.

23:48:47 asciilifeform: and the notion that it is, is purely a mirage created by the hairball

23:49:24 asciilifeform: the original birth of said hairball may have been unintentional (mr s couldn't really program) - but its present state is not.

23:49:48 asciilifeform: !s glued with glass

23:49:49 assbot: 1 results for 'glued with glass' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=glued+with+glass

23:49:51 asciilifeform: etc.

23:50:57 *: asciilifeform had more to say, but his 'wrath' emotion register bit is set, and hard to think straight.