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00:26:55 BingoBoingo: http://www.jensendental.com/alloy/charts/alloy-chart.html << Iridium in your mouth

00:26:57 assbot: Jensen Dental Alloys - Alloy Chart ... ( http://bit.ly/15H18zA )

00:30:27 mats: http://www.businessinsider.com/tinder-co-founder-whitney-wolfe-and-bumble-2015-1

00:30:28 assbot: Tinder Cofounder Whitney Wolfe And Bumble - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLYT9n )

00:31:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91250 @ 0.00036592 = 33.3902 BTC [-] {3}

00:32:44 mats: whoa

00:39:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23248 @ 0.00037074 = 8.619 BTC [+] {2}

00:40:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44602 @ 0.00037151 = 16.5701 BTC [+] {2}

00:41:43 BingoBoingo: http://www.returnofkings.com/53859/so-do-you-want-to-learn-how-to-code << No Comment

00:41:44 assbot: Do You Want To Learn How To Code? ... ( http://bit.ly/15H2LgB )

00:44:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19908 @ 0.00035729 = 7.1129 BTC [-]

00:46:31 BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`

00:46:37 nubbins`: o hi

00:46:49 nubbins`: i disconnect often enough that authing isn't really a priority

00:47:01 nubbins`: although you guys do miss out on a lot of witticisms

00:48:36 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Why is why I !up you. I am suffering wit deficiency

00:49:36 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000031.html <<<< gpg: BAD signature from "mod6 (mod6) <modsix@gmail.com>

00:49:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15H3zC9 )

00:49:40 asciilifeform: mod6 ^^^^^

00:49:50 mod6: srsly?

00:49:53 asciilifeform: aha.

00:50:09 mod6: oh i know what it is.

00:50:24 mod6: i bet that the damn translation of my email address did it

00:50:38 asciilifeform: so turdatron never really worked.

00:51:05 BingoBoingo: http://www.returnofkings.com/27361/how-the-bakken-oil-fields-put-me-on-the-path-to-truth

00:51:07 assbot: How The Bakken Oil Fields Put Me On The Path To Truth ... ( http://bit.ly/15H3KgJ )

00:51:22 mod6: so yeah, i signed "<modsix@gmail.com>"

00:51:31 mod6: and then the turdalator changed it

00:51:46 mod6: if you could be so kind... just change the text to that and see if it verifies.

00:52:36 asciilifeform: works

00:52:41 asciilifeform: jurov: ^^^^^^

00:52:45 mod6: ok cool, good catch ascii

00:52:46 asciilifeform: can we put an end to the mutilations.

00:52:56 mod6: i'll send out a new copy.

00:52:58 asciilifeform: and am i the only one who actually checks sigs

00:52:58 *: mod6 works on that

00:53:51 mod6: when i had mutt setup properly with my own mx it was pretty sweet because it would check sigs and everything automagically.

00:54:03 mod6: one of these times, I gotta get mutt back going again

01:08:29 mod6: ok i re-sent with a new version number and "<modsix at gmail dot com>" written in by me.

01:09:38 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/greece-taps-anti-bitcoin-video-game-economist-as-finance-minister/

01:09:40 assbot: Greece Taps Anti-Bitcoin Video Game Economist as Finance Minister | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/15H647t )

01:13:42 punkman: ;;google tf2 hat economy

01:13:43 gribble: Analyst Pegs Team Fortress 2 Hat Economy at $50 Million - Kotaku: http://kotaku.com/5869042/analyst-pegs-team-fortress-2-hat-economy-at-50-million; A beginner's guide to the Team Fortress 2 economy - Destructoid: http://www.destructoid.com/a-beginner-s-guide-to-the-team-fortress-2-economy-230418.phtml; ARBITRAGE AND EQUILIBRIUM IN THE TEAM FORTRESS 2 ...: (1 more message)

01:15:50 punkman: the one thing he wrote on valve blog is about tf2 hats http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/author/yanis/

01:15:51 assbot: yanis | Valve ... ( http://bit.ly/15H6ZVm )

01:19:46 BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`

01:20:19 nubbins`: the forum is eating itself

01:20:29 nubbins`: ouroboroustalk.org

01:21:12 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Where nao?

01:21:22 BingoBoingo: Still the wood condomer

01:21:33 nubbins`: heh ya

01:21:47 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935115.0;all

01:21:48 assbot: Videos of WoodCollector Hand Carving: Care of MOB ... ( http://bit.ly/15H7Sx8 )

01:21:54 nubbins`: this is one of the only ones still unlocked

01:22:12 nubbins`: scroll down to where people start making connections between TECSHARE and WoodCollector via domain whois

01:22:14 nubbins`: my sides

01:23:02 BingoBoingo: Wait, Techshare is a waterboy?

01:23:07 *: nubbins` shrugs

01:23:19 nubbins`: about halfway down the page there are some pretty funny pictures of me

01:24:44 nubbins`: strangely, he passed this one by: http://imgur.com/5v5jUqI

01:24:45 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/15H8ov4 )

01:25:05 nubbins`: and this one

01:25:06 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/1O9azbk

01:25:07 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/15H8pPK )

01:25:27 nubbins`: and this one... http://imgur.com/88qiKWs

01:25:28 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/15H8tPC )

01:27:22 nubbins`: heh now people are asking TECSHARE for screenshots of his PMs

01:27:24 nubbins`: hahahahah

01:27:36 nubbins`: did someone put LSD in the water?

01:31:31 BingoBoingo: lol

01:33:56 BingoBoingo: The thing that sold me on WC as a fraud is that and actual master carver would focus on edges instead of relief making the BfL dildo feathered and much more painful.

01:35:29 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8092gOWK61qjuse9o1_1280.jpg << better drones bureau

01:35:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H94yfp )

01:36:13 nubbins`: "arch your back" "WHAUET? I CAN'T HEAR YOU"

01:36:54 mircea_popescu: lol "i advise people to learn html, becausre that's a language and it worked for me. wut ?"

01:37:31 nubbins`: :

01:37:33 nubbins`: D

01:37:36 decimation: re: usg intel 'truths': https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol.-55-no.-1/pdfs/CleanedPetersen-What%20I%20Learned-20Apr2011.pdf

01:37:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15H9Q0E )

01:38:34 decimation: "Newcomers to the IC may not realize that the CIA presence in the Oval Office during the George W. Bush administration was the exception, not the rule."

01:38:34 *: mircea_popescu saves bb qntra article for tomorrow morning

01:39:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Do you have a good file on the Bitcoin Magazine drama. I'm at a loss for history on that one.

01:39:32 mircea_popescu: hanbot ^

01:40:58 BingoBoingo: When they told me in early 2013 to not bother submitting to them I kind of exiled them on my own.

01:41:39 BingoBoingo: Damnatio Memoria sort of thing, but if someone want to dump some history I'll pull a thing together.

01:43:31 decimation: "And the consumers of intelligence say out loud “Why should I trust you on this issue when you were wrong on that one?” Weak performance in one DI area immediately calls into question all work in the CIA."

01:47:55 mircea_popescu: and with that, i'll be off.

01:49:45 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/a/lWPRF

01:49:46 assbot: Awful sex dolls - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1H983m0 )

01:49:46 nubbins`: nsfw

01:55:03 decimation: http://www.maebrussell.com/Prouty/Harry%20Truman%27s%20CIA%20article.html << President Truman was even dumber than you thought

01:55:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H99uku )

01:57:36 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell Beautyton thanks https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/560254739544539136

01:57:37 assbot: "Bingo bongo" just wrote a stunningly beautiful pice euthanizing the new Greek Minister for Economics. It's a joy to read.

01:57:37 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:58:12 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell Irdial thanks https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/560254739544539136

01:58:13 assbot: "Bingo bongo" just wrote a stunningly beautiful pice euthanizing the new Greek Minister for Economics. It's a joy to read.

01:58:13 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:58:42 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: random: is there a reason the piece doesn't do "Continued reading"?

01:59:02 thestringpuller: not a big deal just have to scroll to see other pieces on qntra front page

01:59:49 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Sometimes fresh qntra pieces don't have it right away, this one has it now though.

02:01:25 thestringpuller: gotcha. thanks!

02:04:05 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/PVxlSq6.jpg

02:04:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9bI3v )

02:04:21 nubbins`: popped open my volca sample yesterday, was pleased to find MIDI out points clearly marked

02:04:29 nubbins`: dem easter eggs!

02:09:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50380 @ 0.00033866 = 17.0617 BTC [+]

02:11:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.00032999 = 21.5153 BTC [-]

02:16:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97127 @ 0.00030124 = 29.2585 BTC [-] {2}

02:19:45 BingoBoingo: http://www.returnofkings.com/794/getting-arrested-on-the-first-date

02:19:46 assbot: Getting Arrested On The First Date ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9g6iR )

02:21:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.000302 = 12.9256 BTC [+]

02:24:49 thestringpuller: MPOE at all time lows

02:24:50 thestringpuller: holy fuck

02:24:57 thestringpuller: people are filling up the war chests

02:26:49 asciilifeform: 'Axe-time, sword-time, shields are sundered, Wind-time, wolf-time, ere the world falls; Nor ever shall men - each other spare.'

02:27:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 41 @ 0.1 = 4.1 BTC [-]

02:34:35 BingoBoingo: !up p15

02:34:39 BingoBoingo: Hello p15

02:34:45 thestringpuller: ah. asciilifeform you are one of my favorite people.

02:35:36 nubbins`: let's not get outta hand

02:35:40 nubbins`: https://iamcomputo.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/20140102_215347.jpg

02:35:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjdYI )

02:35:51 nubbins`: ^ other members of the volca family have many more easter eggs hidden

02:36:16 nubbins`: http://www.infinitesimal.eu/synth/data/images/2013/korg-volca-beats-disassemble-4.jpg

02:36:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjgDV )

02:37:01 nubbins`: alf, you seem like the kind of guy who would, in another life, have a massive modular synthesizer in your basement, patch cables and eurorack modules all over the place

02:38:25 nubbins`: http://fluxmonkey.com/images/ohioExpFest_small.jpg

02:38:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjo66 )

02:38:30 nubbins`: like this, but with a nicer suitcase

02:38:38 *: BingoBoingo kind of a bigger fan of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFi_nUUF8uQ (uses reeds)

02:38:39 assbot: Wurlitzer Electric Piano 200 by VintageVibe.com - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjomF )

02:38:57 BingoBoingo: !up toddf

02:39:00 BingoBoingo: Hello toddf

02:39:01 *: asciilifeform would, but has no musical education at all

02:39:20 nubbins`: you actually don't need any to have fun :D

02:39:28 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: After the war I might have to get you a tuba, instrument of kings

02:39:43 nubbins`: i might have to get him a monotron

02:40:08 *: asciilifeform is one of those people who can easily compose in his head, incl. polyphony, but can't output

02:40:38 nubbins`: that sort of brain is actually made for synths

02:40:55 nubbins`: as long as you can twist a rotary encoder, you can set notes

02:41:05 asciilifeform: nubbins`: at various points i've tried all kinds of 'cheats', incl. 'ear trainers' etc

02:41:14 BingoBoingo: Tuba is a great instrument for outputting polyphony solo

02:41:21 asciilifeform: nubbins`: can never get the physical sound to correspond to what was in head.

02:41:26 nubbins`: ah ah, i see

02:41:34 nubbins`: that, there's not much helping

02:41:44 nubbins`: but if you like the idea of directly manipulating sound waves

02:41:47 asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage.

02:41:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Culprit is bone conduction.

02:41:57 nubbins`: and channeling them through various components of your choosing...

02:42:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: culprit is not having whatever neural circuit folks who can actually do music have

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02:42:38 decimation: asciilifeform: we are all blank slates, subject to the state's desire for learning

02:42:56 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Prolly that too. I am lacking in that department as well. Tuba is forgiving in that regard.

02:43:02 asciilifeform: did try to learn this particular thing, but never got remotely off the ground.

02:43:19 asciilifeform: was never, however, interested in 'learning to play instrument' in the usual sense of being human player piano

02:43:30 asciilifeform: because that has nothing whatsoever to do with getting the head music out.

02:43:45 asciilifeform: met plenty of people who 'can play' but not do it.

02:44:21 hanbot: <BingoBoingo> Damnatio Memoria sort of thing, but if someone want to dump some history I'll pull a thing together. << see the marchenko/alisie theft accusation back-and-forth here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129722.msg1387064#msg1387064

02:44:22 assbot: What to expect from Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjCu5 )

02:44:33 asciilifeform: perhaps it actually -is- a mirage, like the 'head programs' of folks who can't program.

02:44:40 asciilifeform: insufficiently specified/specifiable.

02:45:02 BingoBoingo: Tuba/Euphoniums are the only solo sort of wind instrument I can play where actual sound produced overpowers bone conduction bias that would otherwise render me tone deaf

02:45:14 BingoBoingo: hanbot: Thanks.

02:45:22 nubbins`: http://www.amazon.com/Korg-Monotron-Analog-Ribbon-Synthesizer/dp/B00684KFAM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1422413077&sr=8-2&keywords=monotribe

02:45:24 assbot: Amazon.com: Korg Monotron Delay Analog Ribbon Synthesizer: Musical Instruments ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjIll )

02:45:24 nubbins`: asciilifeform ^

02:45:28 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

02:45:30 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 258.68, Best ask: 259.73, Bid-ask spread: 1.05000, Last trade: 259.68, 24 hour volume: 17752.82109037, 24 hour low: 243.1, 24 hour high: 267.72, 24 hour vwap: 257.284801802

02:45:43 BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz

02:45:45 asciilifeform: nubbins`, BingoBoingo: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=11 << old article of mine on the subject

02:45:47 assbot: Loper OS » Music, UI, and Greedy Algorithms: the Mozart Machine? ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjHhp )

02:45:49 asciilifeform: describes a hypothesis.

02:46:04 nubbins`: if you're a bit looser with your money: http://www.amazon.com/Korg-Monotribe-Analogue-Ribbon-Station/dp/B0050G7VR4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422413077&sr=8-1&keywords=monotribe&pebp=1422413137924&peasin=B0050G7VR4

02:46:06 assbot: Amazon.com: Korg Monotribe Analogue Ribbon Station: Musical Instruments ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjJFU )

02:47:04 asciilifeform: nubbins`: as a fellow who can program, and at one point owned a 'commodore 64', i've played with just about every basic kind of synth tone

02:47:04 nubbins`: lotta fun out of the box, but also lots of neat mods hidden inside.

02:47:11 asciilifeform: problem is not the tone, but the input.

02:47:14 moldysnizz: ;;rate bingoboingo 1 Good with his hands...

02:47:15 gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.

02:47:18 nubbins`: they actually released the schematics for the monotribe as well

02:47:24 moldysnizz: oh well fuck you gribble

02:47:32 asciilifeform: piano keyboard is meaningless to me. despite plenty of time spent attempted.

02:47:42 BingoBoingo: moldysnizz: You gotta recover that keypair

02:47:43 asciilifeform: nor did any better with direct entry

02:47:46 nubbins`: asciilifeform, then you'll love the monotribe's ribbon keyboard :D

02:47:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00031969 = 4.3638 BTC [+]

02:48:03 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you and my piano teacher (also russian and similar demeanor) would have interesting dirnking convos

02:48:08 nubbins`: as granular as your fingers are small.

02:48:20 moldysnizz: I've accepted my new identiy as the snizz

02:48:21 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> piano keyboard is meaningless to me. despite plenty of time spent attempted. << This I experience as well.

02:48:27 asciilifeform: theremin is as granular as... not even sure what

02:48:29 nubbins`: why am i trying to sell you an analogue synthesizer?

02:48:32 asciilifeform: didn't make any difference.

02:49:05 nubbins`: are these notes we're talking about or tones?

02:49:06 asciilifeform: i generally don't discuss music with musical folks because 100% of the time it turns out that they are trying to accomplish something very different with their time

02:49:15 nubbins`: er sorry

02:49:19 nubbins`: that was worded poorly

02:49:21 asciilifeform: (i mostly gave up on the subject years ago)

02:49:32 asciilifeform: nubbins`: read linked article.

02:50:04 BingoBoingo: My hypothesis is that whistling and humming acquire the correct pitch by way of bang-bang correction. The delay between each ?bang? your brain produces and the resulting sound is imperceptibly small, because the vocal apparatus is located so near, and the necessary muscle motions are so minute. Thus, the correct pitch seems to come out as if by magic. And yet no magic is involved. << Normally magic of musicians with perfect pi

02:50:04 BingoBoingo: tch is being able to surrender to hearing the wrong thing when they perform themselves and simply mapping correspindence to the right hting.

02:50:30 nubbins`: asciilifeform i dunno man, it honestly sounds like a 'tribe can do what you're describing

02:50:34 BingoBoingo: "perfect pitch" is almost always trained.

02:51:09 asciilifeform: nubbins`: unless i misunderstand, the linked device is something like a theremin (in the continuously-variable input sense, rather than mechanism per se) ?

02:51:21 thestringpuller: ;;google gimme 20 dollars slenderman

02:51:21 gribble: Slender $20 Mode! - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejatl89mf5w; Slender Man dances for his 20 dollars - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT9r_-oHJV0; GIMME 20 DOLLARS - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUN_7Iopmak

02:53:17 decimation: !s theremin

02:53:18 assbot: 11 results for 'theremin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=theremin

02:53:31 nubbins`: asciilifeform it's got a digital step-sequencer built into it, so once you find your correct input tone, you can map it to a step.

02:53:46 nubbins`: it'll store 8 or 16 steps and loop them

02:54:01 asciilifeform: except the process of searching by trial and error destroys the head music.

02:54:04 asciilifeform: that's what i've found.

02:54:11 *: decimation learned 'a' (440 hz) by listening to 'wwv'

02:54:12 nubbins`: but the actual sound production side of it is 100% analog, so full granularity on pitch, tone, a bunch of other things

02:54:36 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i've played with continuously-variable synths, as an electronics enthusiast; trust me, it made zero difference.

02:54:52 nubbins`: then i feel your agony

02:54:52 asciilifeform: not sure why this isn't making sense to nubbins`

02:55:14 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> except the process of searching by trial and error destroys the head music. << This so much

02:55:34 nubbins`: i once dated a woman who worked at a craft store. a guy comes rushing in one day screaming about music paper. he needed to write down the notes in his head before he forgot them.

02:55:55 nubbins`: if i'm not mistaken, your problem is the inability to express your tune as either notes or as a hum that can be recorded

02:55:59 asciilifeform: i can't even say for certain that it is real. it's rather like describing dreams. if there's no way to get it out of your head, it exists only for you.

02:56:13 nubbins`: sounds like my understanding of the nature of reality

02:56:15 nubbins`: brb feeding cats

02:56:39 decimation: perhaps the 'digitization' of a piano keyboard is a convenient simplification for the brain - structure allows creativity, etc

03:00:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44438 @ 0.00033141 = 14.7272 BTC [+]

03:01:05 asciilifeform: for anyone who actually bothered to read the link: i did not yet know the term 'OODA loop' when i wrote that piece.

03:01:11 asciilifeform: but it is precisely what's involved.

03:02:04 asciilifeform: probably the most easily fundamental concept i know of in what used to be called 'cybernetics' (what's it called today? even exists as a field?)

03:02:07 asciilifeform: control theory?

03:03:32 decimation: asciilifeform: I think that came from combat doctrine

03:03:44 asciilifeform: it did.

03:03:56 decimation: but certainly has connections with control theory (feedback systems)

03:04:17 decimation: asciilifeform: novel idea for a toolkit: your watch links: http://www.leatherman.com/425.html

03:04:18 assbot: Tread™ - Leatherman / LED Lenser ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkzm0 )

03:04:56 BingoBoingo: By some horrible accident of history in High School shat out http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Going.mp3 with WIndows 3.1 technology (rougly 2003) was featured in new york concert http://www.voxnovus.com/60x60/2003_Concert_Program.htm did not make the CD cut; Crazy things teenagers with idea do.

03:05:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkA9D )

03:06:15 asciilifeform: decimation: golden toilet

03:07:02 *: BingoBoingo back then did not realize was treading chumpatron

03:07:19 danielpbarron: http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?p=26361348#26361348

03:07:20 assbot: ATRL - Celeb News: Taylor Swift Hacked on Instagram - Page 5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkCyu )

03:07:20 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, the 'selling point' is that you can take it through an airport

03:07:29 asciilifeform: decimation: until can't

03:07:38 decimation: not that a regular 'leatherman' (sans knife) couldn't go

03:07:42 asciilifeform: decimation: like the 'fake key' that was in fashion a few years ago.

03:08:08 decimation: but the derps who run the airport security chumpatron would 'trip' on 'leatherman-like object'

03:08:32 asciilifeform: anyone who enjoys playing the mole in 'whack-a-mole' - straight there.

03:09:13 asciilifeform: this would even be interesting if the watchband-screwdriver were something one craftsman made in single-digit quantity

03:09:24 asciilifeform: but as soon as it hits retail - added to ban list.

03:09:47 decimation: it probably won't reach the critical 'man adoption factor' and therefore will be hated and uncool

03:10:29 decimation: also I think it would be rather inconvenient to disassemble and reassemble watch to use screwdriver

03:10:37 trinque: BingoBoingo: I kinda like it

03:10:52 trinque: I've done some chiptune stuff, nothing good

03:11:29 BingoBoingo: trinque: Thanks. Made with "Noteworthy Composer" a lowest bidder sort of Win32 music typesetting software that can output to MIDI

03:12:46 TheNewDeal: what is this Noteworthy Composer?

03:12:56 TheNewDeal: you type in notes and it outputs MIDI values?

03:13:09 BingoBoingo: https://www.noteworthysoftware.com/

03:13:11 assbot: NoteWorthy Software - Home of NoteWorthy Composer Music Notation Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkPSf )

03:13:42 BingoBoingo: Supposedly plays well wrapped in Wine

03:14:12 BingoBoingo: at the time it was click on staff and select note to drop.

03:14:36 *: BingoBoingo used 1.x series unfamiliar with this version 2 bullshit.

03:17:36 BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli

03:17:47 BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli1

03:18:59 *: BingoBoingo likes to imagine an alternate history where that one piece of turdware and imagined uses of it did not keep self on Windows for an unconfortably long period of history

03:20:02 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/01/27/marshawn_lynch_joins_super_bowl_media_day_to_avoid_fine.html

03:20:03 assbot: Marshawn Lynch joins Super Bowl media day to avoid fine. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOl4g4 )

03:20:13 trinque: https://soundcloud.com/signpost << coupla loops I farted out

03:20:14 assbot: signpost's profile - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOl6Vb )

03:20:38 trinque: I can never stay focused on it (rather, cannot pull self away from moneymaking endeavors) long enough to finish something

03:21:13 trinque: all came out of playing in renoise

03:21:21 trinque: trackers are pretty fun

03:21:29 TheNewDeal: ;;ident trinque

03:21:29 gribble: Nick 'trinque', with hostmask 'trinque!~undata@unaffiliated/undata', is not identified.

03:23:39 trinque: ;;ident trinque

03:23:40 gribble: Nick 'trinque', with hostmask 'trinque!~undata@unaffiliated/undata', is identified as user 'trinque', with GPG key id 42F9985AFAB953C4, key fingerprint FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4, and bitcoin address None

03:24:30 BingoBoingo: trinque: If Deedbot has a need for sounds...

03:25:04 trinque: I hear scope creep is met with beatings.

03:26:28 BingoBoingo: Eh, it is

03:27:10 BingoBoingo: Generally for mandatory creep. If a deed.py client for deebot materialized later...

03:28:25 BingoBoingo: Dunno why deedbot would need a deed.py client though

03:29:04 TheNewDeal: ;;seen BlueMeanie4

03:29:04 gribble: BlueMeanie4 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 35 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <BlueMeanie4> most of them are in Berlin

03:29:07 trinque: speaking of things I should throw cycles into

03:29:24 trinque: I'm going to afk for a bit and finish up some work stuff, then see about haxing on the bot

03:30:27 decimation: re: glibc bug << was this an ulrich drepperism?

03:31:23 asciilifeform: decimation: quite possibly

03:32:22 BingoBoingo: 9 years ago the debian official random number was 6. Now glibc fuckery is uncovered. Imperial nudity advances.

03:32:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not unlike rejoicing in having crushed one particular cockroach in your kitchen.

03:33:12 asciilifeform: roaches don't particularly care if you know that you have roaches.

03:33:16 asciilifeform: or if they lose one or two.

03:34:11 BingoBoingo: Also true

03:36:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4256 @ 0.00033141 = 1.4105 BTC [+]

03:37:22 danielpbarron: huh, I seem to be shadowbanned on reddit -- finally!

03:39:12 trinque: danielpbarron: you telling christians what their book says again?

03:39:48 danielpbarron: idk if it's just on /r/bitcoin or what

03:40:37 BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twlrx/localbitcoinscom_compromised_bitcoins_stolen/co358go

03:40:39 assbot: ButterNubber comments on LocalBitcoins.com Compromised, Bitcoins Stolen ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOlZgB )

03:49:46 decimation: asciilifeform: the whole episode steers one toward bsd

03:50:34 trinque: decimation: which?

03:50:44 trinque: I'm considering wiping out this gentoo install with openbsd

03:52:37 decimation: glibc bugs

03:52:43 BingoBoingo: trinque: Before wiping best to play with OpenBSD on some designated toy hardware. I can not recommend the Micheal W Lucas book enough.

03:52:46 trinque: decimation: meant which bsd?

03:53:06 decimation: eh. I've played with openbsd - it's not a very big ecosystem

03:53:11 trinque: BingoBoingo: fired it up in a VM and felt like I sort of knew my way around

03:53:30 decimation: but it is probably more security-minded with W^X and ASLR

03:53:37 nijotz: http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/699517120641640149/1C42FDFC5357C6604A2EE03FB2ADCCC87A5B0D7E/

03:53:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOmFCD )

03:54:01 trinque: nijotz: lol

03:54:13 BingoBoingo: 5.7 will bring as kernel space ASLR, also current on some platforms has that, but is... unfinished

03:54:38 BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel

03:55:24 *: BingoBoingo thinks Brent Cook going to OpenBSD is one of the best things to happen to Linux in a long time.

03:55:46 BingoBoingo: Other than Google using OpenBSD's libc for Android over Gnu libc

03:56:39 trinque: BingoBoingo: I'll grab Absolute OpenBSD, ty

03:56:46 trinque: that's the one?

03:57:41 BingoBoingo: trinque: Indeed. Only current through 5.4 or 5.5 but differences since are well documented. The book is good for differences versus Linux and other BSD's

04:01:37 decimation: how can android use bsd libc?

04:01:39 BingoBoingo: trinque: M.W. Lucas is a sort of sage for commonly overlooked sysadmin stuff.

04:01:47 BingoBoingo: decimation: Because it is all *nix

04:01:49 decimation: isn't there significant differences wrt the kernel?

04:02:05 decimation: someone must have written shim code

04:02:06 BingoBoingo: decimation: Yes, linux kernel is deviant.

04:02:23 *: BingoBoingo digs for undeadly.org piece on the matter

04:03:04 BingoBoingo: decimation: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140506132000 << This so hard

04:03:05 assbot: Android's C Library Has 173 Files of Unchanged OpenBSD Code ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOnsmT )

04:03:48 danielpbarron: if you have beginners openbsd questions feel free to ask me

04:03:59 danielpbarron: i also have the book BingoBoingo recommended

04:04:17 trinque: danielpbarron: cool, sounds good

04:04:38 BingoBoingo: One very useful area the book discusses is configuring sudo users

04:08:13 trinque: BingoBoingo: a best-practices in general thing or something specific to openbsd's sudo?

04:09:11 BingoBoingo: trinque: In this tome a lot of OpenBSD specific stuff, but also general good practices. M W Lucas also has a sudo mastery book as part of his security trinity.

04:12:47 BingoBoingo: !up devthedev

04:16:44 danielpbarron: i also have the sudo mastery book, although i haven't cracked it open yet

04:17:26 devthedev: Soteriology puts a killing on my brain

04:17:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00038264 = 9.7191 BTC [+] {2}

04:18:01 asciilifeform: openbsd is in some ways a 'hair shirt' (abolished loadable kmods, for instance)

04:19:28 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well most people complain about the big kernel lock.

04:19:46 BingoBoingo: devthedev: lol barry soetero

04:27:00 mod6: fuck

04:27:18 *: BingoBoingo thinks it would be fair to say Linux is silk shirt, FreeBSD is wool shirt, OpenBSD is hair shirt, and NetBSD is rolling around naked in poison ivy

04:27:39 mod6: wat

04:27:46 asciilifeform: yes, wat

04:28:03 mod6: anyway, so the script that i re-posted to the list wont work

04:28:19 mod6: gpg --logger-file chicken.sig.log --homedir .gnupg \

04:28:19 mod6: - --verify chicken/bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.patch.sig

04:28:33 mod6: ^----- the turdalator adds this dash on parse

04:28:40 mod6: jurov: check this out

04:28:44 mod6: ^^^

04:29:05 *: mod6 breaks random things

04:29:42 mod6: im just gonna post the fuckin script to the website direct.

04:30:05 asciilifeform: jurov: any possibility of making it actually work ?

04:30:15 asciilifeform: and how the hell did anything else get posted

04:30:29 asciilifeform: or am i the only one who actually tried to run what is up on that site.

04:30:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23220 @ 0.00037098 = 8.6142 BTC [-]

04:31:05 mod6: actually, jurov, it's not the fault of the turdalator

04:31:15 mod6: as it seems, gnupg did that nonsense.

04:31:21 asciilifeform: i did warn.

04:31:23 *: mod6 breaks more stuff

04:31:29 asciilifeform: !s clearsign

04:31:30 assbot: 78 results for 'clearsign' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=clearsign

04:32:04 asciilifeform: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897500

04:32:04 assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 21:44:02; asciilifeform: till we have a gpg that clearsigns without escape char mutilation - we got this.

04:32:17 mod6: you know, before I did any of that, i thought about doing a detached sig, but then i wondered if something really funky would happen, like it would get somehow added to the patch-list automagically, and it doesn't belong there either.

04:32:36 asciilifeform: mantra: 'don't clearsign code.'

04:32:53 mod6: yeah. weaksauce

04:33:08 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901052 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901055

04:33:08 assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:19; asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people

04:33:08 assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:30; asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits

04:33:29 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-01-2015#972864

04:33:29 assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 06:00:40; asciilifeform: in-band signalling is inevitably lame.

04:33:31 mod6: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897503 << lol

04:33:31 assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 21:44:58; mircea_popescu: see ? god hates us.

04:35:13 asciilifeform: what are we to do? pretend it's 1995 and post uuencoded turds ?

04:35:17 asciilifeform: because that's where this is going.

04:35:36 *: asciilifeform blows dust off uuencode

04:37:36 BingoBoingo: Worse things have happened

04:37:43 *: BingoBoingo glares at leap seconds

04:38:18 asciilifeform: leap seconds are braindamaged.

04:38:28 asciilifeform: why should i move my epoch clock for a political fiction.

04:38:38 asciilifeform: wall clock - sure, get places on time, etc.

04:38:41 asciilifeform: epoch? fuck you.

04:39:04 BingoBoingo: Seriously, pick a better number of cesium vibrations for the official figure

04:39:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: leap seconds are inserted - supposedly because earth slows. so not a constant.

04:39:59 asciilifeform: not enough to say that 1 newsecond = 1*k oldseconds

04:40:23 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Convenient political fiction to cover a simple rounding error

04:41:10 BingoBoingo: Because significant figures... Maybe if things desync this often more figures are significant than are politically convenient

04:42:26 BingoBoingo: rather than admit far smaller digits have meaning they would rather make the world bark on command.

04:42:57 mod6: <+asciilifeform> what are we to do? pretend it's 1995 and post uuencoded turds ? << perfectly fine with me.

04:44:24 BingoBoingo: atm fortress http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-atm-bombers/

04:44:25 assbot: Boom: Inside a British Bank-Bombing Spree - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1BNfG )

04:47:33 decimation: asciilifeform: usg actually proposed getting rid of leap seconds

04:47:42 decimation: accumulate them for years into some kind of 'leap hour'

04:48:34 decimation: asciilifeform: but if you eliminate the correction for leapseconds, you are going to create one extra step for someone who is trying to derive longitude from solar position

04:48:56 BingoBoingo: decimation: Not necessary, just create a better definition of second

04:49:12 decimation: BingoBoingo: no definition of a second will cover the variation in the earth's rotation

04:49:38 BingoBoingo: decimation: And the boundaries of fiat timezones are any better?

04:49:53 decimation: a leap second is literally correcting for the fact that a cesium atom vibrates with more precision than the earth spins about its axis

04:50:08 decimation: time zones have nothing to do with leap seconds

04:51:07 trinque: ditch days, nobody goes outside anymore anyway

04:51:14 trinque: all hail glorious cesium overlord

04:51:33 BingoBoingo: Ah, but time zones have everything to do with the imprecision people are willing to accept when it comes to time

04:51:59 decimation: well, the whole thing comes down to this: what ought to govern the period of a day? the rotation of the earth or a random clock?

04:52:11 decimation: right now it's the rotation of the earth, even though it varies

04:52:18 danielpbarron: a second will henceforth be known as 1 six-hundredth of the average time it takes for a bitcoin block to be found

04:52:24 decimation: lol

04:52:55 BingoBoingo: Would anyone who contributed to this http://www.timetemperature.com/time-zone-maps/world-time-zone-map.shtml honest be capable of earnestly declaring allegiance to solar time?

04:52:56 assbot: World Time Zone Map ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1DPfO )

04:53:39 BingoBoingo: Poor Iceland

04:54:08 mod6: ok, so i sent the build.sh script in plaintext with a detached sig to the mailing and it just never showed up. lol

04:54:17 decimation: BingoBoingo: read this before wishing to abolish time zones http://qntm.org/abolish

04:54:18 assbot: So you want to abolish time zones @ Things Of Interest ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1Ea29 )

04:54:25 mod6: so i added the file direct to the website, along with the sig file

04:54:40 mod6: would one of you gentlement verify it for me?

04:54:43 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/build.sh

04:54:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1EfD0 )

04:54:54 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/build.sh.sig

04:54:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1EgH5 )

04:55:26 mod6: *gentlemen too :]

04:56:24 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2014#703385

04:56:24 assbot: Logged on 05-06-2014 04:19:25; mircea_popescu: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?

04:56:59 BingoBoingo: decimation: You forget I am one of the luck ones who sleeps ad libitum, who through the #b-a logs primarily judges time in GMT in spite of proximity to 90 degrees west

04:57:18 decimation: heh

04:57:24 BingoBoingo: Why not simply walk the meridian?

04:59:11 BingoBoingo: Let time stay constant. If planetary rotation slows acknowledge that as the problem.

04:59:58 BingoBoingo: Why should the measurement of time suffer for the insufficiencies of celestial body movement.

05:00:01 mod6: does anyone like thebitcoin.foundation/banner.html ?

05:00:11 danielpbarron: mod6, http://danielpbarron.com/build.sh.sig.txt

05:00:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1FqlI )

05:00:29 BingoBoingo: mod6: Banner looks purty

05:00:59 mod6: danielpbarron!

05:01:04 mod6: Thanks, Sir.

05:01:34 mod6: BingoBoingo: werd. been consider switchin to hard-core mode.

05:01:41 mod6: *considering

05:02:01 asciilifeform: mod6: cut off on my display

05:02:01 mod6: has anyone else used PC-BSD?

05:02:06 decimation: mod6 it verfies for me

05:02:09 mod6: asciilifeform: awe

05:02:13 mod6: decimation: thanks!

05:02:14 asciilifeform: (banner)

05:03:09 decimation: BingoBoingo: well, if the atomic clock is your timekeeper, than leap seconds are silly

05:03:14 decimation: my suggestion: use GPS time

05:03:40 decimation: http://www.leapsecond.com/java/gpsclock.htm " GPS, Global Positioning System time, is the atomic time scale implemented by the atomic clocks in the GPS ground control stations and the GPS satellites themselves. GPS time was zero at 0h 6-Jan-1980 and since it is not perturbed by leap seconds GPS is now ahead of UTC by 16 seconds. "

05:03:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1Gcz7 )

05:03:47 BingoBoingo: decimation: GPS time is USG turd. Want to be able to keep own clock.

05:04:20 decimation: sure. do you have a clock that will but sub-second accurate across decades?

05:04:39 mod6: asciilifeform: what size display do you ya have? i checked it out with lynx too, looks pcool.

05:04:48 asciilifeform: 1440 horiz.

05:05:12 asciilifeform: cut off unless fixedtype font is set absurdly small.

05:05:24 mircea_popescu: decimation how do you now ?

05:05:33 mod6: lemme see on this pcbsd box, its set to 1024x768

05:05:41 TheNewDeal: anybody here play/have played poker at casinos frequently?

05:05:42 BingoBoingo: decimation: Maybe? Only the fucking white ford F-150 which until mention in chan that bombarded my domicile with microwaves knows for sure.

05:05:51 mircea_popescu: note that merely *thinking* you do, or "not being able to find otherwise" can trivially be replicated by the conventional model he proposes.

05:06:03 decimation: mircea_popescu: well, the way it works now, to my understanding, is that there's a kind of wot among high-spec clocks

05:06:08 mod6: looks ok on that box

05:06:09 mircea_popescu: time as anything other than arbitrary convention is a hard proposition.

05:06:16 danielpbarron: TheNewDeal, not frequently.. but i host a cash game every saturday

05:06:17 mircea_popescu: decimation exactly. not even a blockchain.

05:06:43 BingoBoingo: Time is not a feature of physics. It is imposed by the apperception upon the manifold.

05:06:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr

05:06:44 assbot: rtl-sdr – OsmoSDR ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1GQgb )

05:06:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have one. they work.

05:07:15 TheNewDeal: the poker room I just played at had automagic card shufflers

05:07:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: distinguish wall clock time from the other kind.

05:07:41 mircea_popescu: even the other kind is a convention rather than a factual point at subsecond accuracy across decades

05:07:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will note

05:07:51 mircea_popescu: (i'm not disputing the timing of subatomic events)

05:07:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interval is rigorously defined as n transitions of cesium atom b/w energy levels

05:08:08 asciilifeform: the purpose is precision rather than accuracy.

05:08:13 BingoBoingo: !up tripleslash

05:08:13 mircea_popescu: this is like "rigurously" defining womanhood as "n individual sex acts"

05:08:30 asciilifeform: precision timekeeping is what allows for, e.g., satellite navigation.

05:08:33 tripleslash: fucking znc

05:08:49 BingoBoingo: timekeeping is a myth

05:08:50 decimation: yeah, I am inaccurately using the word 'accuracy'

05:08:57 mircea_popescu: tripleslash you too ?

05:08:59 asciilifeform: rigorous, in this case, means 'arbitrarily replicable'

05:09:06 asciilifeform: on demand.

05:09:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice that so would be his.

05:09:15 mircea_popescu: for different values, ofcourse.

05:09:37 BingoBoingo: Time is properly not measured from reality, but imposed upon reality.

05:09:39 asciilifeform: incidentally, cesium standard is a fairly recent thing.

05:09:56 mircea_popescu: well so is the iridium alloy meter.

05:09:56 asciilifeform: was arrived at somewhat reluctantly, as i understand.

05:10:03 asciilifeform: just as metre.

05:10:16 mircea_popescu: standards generally are a recent thing. but time is particularly iffy when you try to bridge what's fundamentally unbridgeable

05:10:21 mircea_popescu: (micro to macro interactions)

05:10:47 decimation: isn't that what your processor is doing right now?

05:10:51 mircea_popescu: note, re the "replication" that recently they were stuck adding a 2nd 3rd second off midnight,

05:10:53 mircea_popescu: coupla weeks ago

05:11:05 asciilifeform: stuck?

05:11:05 mircea_popescu: decimation yeah, which is why we just had a cve earlier.

05:11:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "they had to act inconsistently to maintain a certain facade of consistency"

05:11:26 asciilifeform: what if they didn't. what then. sunrise off by a few ns.

05:11:31 mircea_popescu: well...

05:11:39 mircea_popescu: EXACTLY. same argument bolsters the "time in blocks" conventionb.

05:11:40 asciilifeform: i say braindamaged.

05:11:42 BingoBoingo: Space similarly, not a property of "nature", but imposed upon nature by the apperception

05:11:54 mircea_popescu: we can agree that any convention is provably broken. that's by definition.

05:11:59 decimation: mircea_popescu: the question, as I stated earlier, is whether 'rotation of the earth about axis' or 'number of vibrations of cesium' is your timebase

05:12:14 mircea_popescu: decimation maybe "biotcoin blocks" is your timebase.

05:12:22 mircea_popescu: i can see a whole swathe of applications for which it would be.

05:12:34 decimation: sure. but note that the precision is measureably poor

05:12:36 mircea_popescu: such as, contracts. "rent this appartment for 50`000 blocks"

05:12:40 asciilifeform: as far as anyone has been able to determine to date, the atom does not temporally misbehave, and so it can be used as clock to the limits of the measurement precision.

05:12:41 mircea_popescu: only in YOUR system

05:12:46 mircea_popescu: in my system YOUR precision is measurably poor.

05:12:53 mircea_popescu: relativity. it's a thing.

05:13:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as long as that determination was made in a certain system that precludes so and so :)

05:13:30 mircea_popescu: "hey check it out, as long as im measuring atom transitions by atom transitions, atom transitions do not appear to misbehave!"

05:13:35 BingoBoingo: Kritik der reinen Vernunft A37=B54fn

05:14:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: notice that folks who actually need the cesium fountain for practical work do not bother with the metaphysics. but simply end up defining precise timebase as 'the thing that, if any noisier, now you can't geolocate but to +/-1km...'

05:14:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's why i laid into him. he wanted micro precision somehow magically over macro spans.

05:14:38 mircea_popescu: otherwise suire, atopmic clock works great for atomic physics.

05:15:08 *: BingoBoingo still maintains official apperception independent time standard off of wound spring.

05:15:23 mircea_popescu: lol how many shots you in bb ?

05:15:40 decimation: well, your 'bitcoin clock' would be pretty poor at precisely measuring a range of natural phenomena, with epicycles aplenty

05:16:00 mircea_popescu: sure. but perhaps it would be great at measuring economic and perhaps even social and political phenomena.

05:16:16 mircea_popescu: !up Dimsler

05:16:16 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: About 500 ml of 80 proof vodka tonight. Making up for the bender this past weekend could have been. After reddit IRL I need to clean the slate with a strong solvent.

05:16:28 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ima try an' catch up. apparently can't sleep

05:16:31 Dimsler: what about the effects of dark matter on subatomic particles

05:16:39 decimation: good point, that

05:16:58 mircea_popescu: how about the effects of gravity! how about the effects of universe expanding! how abvout etc.

05:17:01 mircea_popescu: there's no end of that.

05:17:16 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Latest qntra piece I took the opportunity to empty the venom sacks a bit on new Derpolis. Pete apparently leik'd it.

05:17:25 mircea_popescu: maybe the blockchain that messes up seconds is a minute off over ten trillion years. whereas cesium clocks, .855% off

05:17:28 asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!

05:17:31 asciilifeform: guess what i've got.

05:17:33 mircea_popescu: ye, 85 million years offs.

05:18:26 mircea_popescu: ;;seen adlai

05:18:27 gribble: adlai was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 11 hours, 51 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <Adlai> 'want' is a strong word. i'm suggesting it as a possibility, to an intrepid [General] Manager

05:18:29 asciilifeform: a deterministic builder of statically linked 0.5.3.xxxxx. for arbitrary cross-compiler. and ran. and turd runs on pogo.

05:18:37 Dimsler: good ol Rutherford-Bohr model

05:18:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, mod6, ben_vulpes, jurov ^^^^^^

05:18:39 decimation: excellent news!

05:18:43 mircea_popescu: fuck you you magnificent bastard.

05:18:47 asciilifeform: will post shortly

05:19:03 asciilifeform: note! had to patch the bitcoin

05:19:08 mircea_popescu: how ?

05:19:16 mod6: asciilifeform: sweet. what'd ya have to patch?

05:19:25 asciilifeform: because it was retardedly missing a header.

05:19:29 adlai: mircea_popescu: sup

05:19:30 asciilifeform: somehow this flew

05:19:34 asciilifeform: but not with static libs

05:19:40 mircea_popescu: adlai how much capital were you looking for ?

05:19:40 *: decimation feels sorry for the poor celestial navigator who is thrown off the timebase bus

05:20:19 mod6: what header?

05:20:19 asciilifeform: stripped binary 4153212 bytes

05:20:22 asciilifeform: with no dependencies

05:20:22 tripleslash: that's better

05:20:32 decimation: asciilifeform: did you have to patch gcc to fix the bug you posted the other day?

05:20:39 asciilifeform: mod6: stdint.

05:20:42 mircea_popescu: tripleslash saw teward's lulzy crash earlier ?

05:20:50 asciilifeform: decimation: nope

05:20:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude...

05:20:58 BingoBoingo: spring operated wrist mounted time standard is only 1.5 minutes off of ntp reported time in 8 years of constant operation.

05:21:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is invited to replicate once automat is posted

05:21:26 decimation: BingoBoingo: did you set it in those 8 years?

05:21:38 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, it's a joke

05:21:49 BingoBoingo: decimation: Only hourly corrections for DST, but I do that based on raw feels.

05:21:50 Dimsler: since we are discussing horology

05:21:55 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic what is ?

05:22:08 Apocalyptic: teward's quit message faking a segfault in znc

05:22:14 mircea_popescu: o it is ?!

05:22:17 mircea_popescu: got me lol

05:22:18 Apocalyptic: heh, yeah

05:22:46 adlai: mircea_popescu: it really depends what that capital is for. for funding further development of the bot? not much, feature by feature, i'm not looking for a vc-style investment. for testing the algorithm on larger amounts, to see how the strategy scales up? right now, two digit btc sum, more as progress permits.

05:22:54 BingoBoingo: decimation: The point is I am the one who imposes time onto the manifold of the unintuited world and not the reverse.

05:23:30 *: decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time

05:23:34 mircea_popescu: adlai no dude, weren't you looking to run a PC based on it ?

05:24:23 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think adlai mentioned it assuming an intermediary being necessary not knowing that MPIF is direct.

05:24:39 adlai: that was mentioned as a possibility. what do you mean by "MPIF is direct"?

05:24:47 BingoBoingo: decimation: Man has never done that since ptolemy

05:25:18 BingoBoingo: adlai: In my experience MPIF invest in the person with the trading device instead of moneyed buffer intermediary

05:27:00 BingoBoingo: * decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time << You do realize if you try to advance critical theory past Kant you buffer overflwo straight back to Hume. It is an ugly loop.

05:27:08 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you definitely impose contorted grammar upon the reading public.

05:27:10 mircea_popescu: One piece of fallout from the recent SYRIZA win in Greece's election is the appointment of Yanis Varoufakis, most notable for tinkering with Valve's Steam video game marketplace to the position of Finance Minister. Yanis Varoufakis is much less notable for in the spring of 2013 writing one of the many essays naively assailing Bitcoin as some sort of impossible fantasy incapable of anything, an essay that safely could h

05:27:10 mircea_popescu: ave remained entirely without note. Unfortunately someone decided to promote him from advising ways for an arcade could extract more money from chumps to managing the finances of a populated area that is still by some miracle, in some form a sovereign state with a government.

05:27:11 mircea_popescu: vs

05:27:13 mircea_popescu: One piece of fallout from SYRIZA's recent win in Greec is the appointment of Yanis Varoufakis (mostly remembered for tinkering with Valve's Steam marketplace) to the position of Finance Minister. Yanis Varoufakis could also be less charitably remembered for penning numerous naive essays throughout the Spring of 2013, dedicated to misrepresenting Bitcoin as some sort of impossible fantasy incapable of anything. Superfic

05:27:18 mircea_popescu: ially it may seem unfortunate that someone decided to promote him from penny arcade optimisations to managing the finances of a populated area that to some degree still succeeds in putting forth the pretense of a sovereign state, with a government and everything. Upon further consideration, you will notice it's exactly adequate.

05:27:47 mircea_popescu: adlai "mpif is direct", where's that from ?

05:27:49 mircea_popescu: context dammit

05:28:08 mircea_popescu: oh

05:28:08 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#994908

05:28:08 assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:24:23; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think adlai mentioned it assuming an intermediary being necessary not knowing that MPIF is direct.

05:28:26 adlai: :)

05:28:32 Dimsler: mircea_popescu, good riddance, maybe the euro will go back to being called the deutsch mark like it really is

05:28:38 mircea_popescu: adlai you ever looked into the workings of panacea ? and mike_c's tracking thereof ?

05:28:59 adlai: i'm familiar with the overall idea, although i couldn't recite its returns from memory

05:29:07 mircea_popescu: Dimsler fat chance of that. you folk will need tyo go beat all the gypos over the head again, and then the brits will burn berlin because 'o noes' again.

05:29:24 mircea_popescu: adlai so that's how it works. you get some btc, publish your trades, etc.

05:29:26 Dimsler: the fourth reich europe domination has proven to be a failure, instead of bodies all the tanned skin loungers got a free bmw or merc

05:29:34 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yanis did write more naive Bitcoin essays by they came later.

05:29:52 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo just generally you know, run on prose.

05:30:18 decimation: Dimsler: wohnen Sie in der Schweiz?

05:30:24 BingoBoingo: Yeah. Amazingly all but the last two paragraph happened before I acquired vodka.

05:30:24 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

05:30:39 Apocalyptic: trinque, by the way how's deedbot coming along ?

05:30:47 mircea_popescu: i think it's so tense and comma-tose because you're too tight. gotta learn to relax without liquor.

05:30:56 Dimsler: decimation, nein

05:31:07 BingoBoingo: Probably.

05:31:39 mircea_popescu: anyway, great article, solid structure, errything.

05:31:41 decimation: Dimsler: note that the 'free bmw' plan also allowed germany to 'increase' its gdp

05:31:46 BingoBoingo: Thank you.

05:32:05 Dimsler: decimation, at great cost to the quality of life for the average german

05:32:29 BingoBoingo: My spirit animal though is a most likely a wound spring. It used to be a wood chuck until Preston Byrne appropriated them and relabled them all fucking marmots.

05:32:36 mircea_popescu: Dimsler but at great gain to the quality of life of the average romanian. and to a lesser degree, frenchman.

05:32:50 mircea_popescu: thousands of dacias sailed out of timisoara EACH DAY by train, for over a year

05:33:03 mircea_popescu: cost about as much as the vouchers paid. 3-5kish

05:33:09 BingoBoingo: Marmot sounds like an absolute shit animul

05:33:22 Dimsler: yes and all those euros that flew in to build roads

05:33:36 BingoBoingo: Not a grand animal builder of bunkers for a post nuclear age

05:33:51 Dimsler: the fourth reich take over of europe ultimatly ended in a wealth transfer scheme and a failing currency

05:34:11 mircea_popescu: what exactly do you think take overs are ?

05:34:28 mircea_popescu: what, the french in alger, the belgians in congo, the erryone errywhere.

05:34:36 adlai: mircea_popescu: question: could a profit center be run within mpex/coinbr? ie, the extent of "you get some btc" would be crediting an account? kinda like how margin is described in the mpex faq.

05:34:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35126 @ 0.00040042 = 14.0652 BTC [+] {2}

05:34:44 asciilifeform: mod6, jurov: sent

05:34:46 Dimsler: neo-colonialism was not a sustainable endeavour

05:34:47 decimation: of course the ideology of that fourth reich was harvard circa 1945

05:34:52 asciilifeform: mod6, jurov: no idea if the turdatron actually works though

05:34:56 asciilifeform: mod6 check plz ?

05:35:04 mircea_popescu: adlai you don't have to have a mpex account to be a pc manager if that's what yer asking.

05:35:20 asciilifeform: i'm not seeing any output.

05:35:20 mircea_popescu: <decimation> of course the ideology of that fourth reich was harvard circa 1945 << very astute observation.

05:35:31 asciilifeform: ^ moldy's observation originally

05:35:31 mircea_popescu: right into my "argentina has no school" of yest.

05:35:38 decimation: aye, it was moldbug's

05:35:39 *: adlai wants to minimize counterparty risk. if mp is investing in a trading shop, why should mp's money leave mp's ex?

05:35:54 mircea_popescu: don't you need it to be on whatever exchange ?

05:36:03 Dimsler: decimation, i believe simon heffer rejuvenated that idea back in 2011

05:36:14 adlai: what's mpex, a text-based casino?

05:36:16 Dimsler: "Simon Heffer wrote in 2011 "Where Hitler failed by military means to conquer Europe, modern Germans are succeeding through trade and financial discipline. Welcome to the Fourth Reich."

05:37:01 mircea_popescu: adlai dude, you're making yourself impossible to follow. i thought you wrote a fx bot that works on 2-3 exchanges currenty and you're looking to finance it.

05:37:01 decimation: as an american, I see germany as a theme park filled with stuffed animals, spouting libtard-ideology

05:37:04 Dimsler: what he didn't see was that the trade was onsided, inexchange for a bunch of debt

05:37:24 mircea_popescu: decimation not too far off.

05:37:43 BingoBoingo: adlai: In my mpif experience if an exchange or asset looks like it is becoming imminently untenable the MPIA will tell you to bail and when.

05:37:46 Dimsler: decimation, i can assure you most of the larger cities are pretty much dumps

05:37:52 asciilifeform: http://loper-os.org/pub/ifuckinghatethis.tgz

05:37:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1fOW0 )

05:37:55 asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu et al

05:38:11 mircea_popescu: Dimsler yeah, "trade" is not "give me free shit while i tan". how did that silly quote go, "And so on. The three men ended up working like dogs, using all the skills developed by trial and error in their first few weeks ? building a hut, fish, trying to get the women to forage. The women continued to bitch and sunbathe."

05:38:13 asciilifeform: yes jurov's thing ate it silently.

05:38:24 adlai: what's the MPIA?

05:38:28 mircea_popescu: why do you hate it ?!

05:38:35 BingoBoingo: adlai: MP Intelligence Agency

05:38:37 asciilifeform: because it doesn't work.

05:38:39 adlai: lololololl

05:38:40 asciilifeform: never worked.

05:38:58 asciilifeform: i think i was the first one to actually run something from the www output end of turdatron today

05:38:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought you just said it worked a moment ago ?

05:39:01 asciilifeform: and it was missing dashes.

05:39:03 decimation: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/06/why-conservatives-never-quite-catch.html < "The Brahmins, universalists, ultracalvinists, etc, do not hate "our culture" at all. They have a very distinct culture of their own - with a family tree that spends a remarkable amount of time in Massachusetts, upstate New York, etc, etc. (In Charles Royster's excellent and only mildly neo-Unionist picture of the Civil War, The

05:39:05 assbot: Unqualified Reservations: Why conservatives never quite catch the boat ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1g2fN )

05:39:05 asciilifeform: my code - works

05:39:05 decimation: Destructive War, he mentions a foreign traveler in 1864 who asked some random American to explain the war. "It's the conquest of America by Massachusetts," was the answer. Massachusetts, of course, later went on to conquer first Europe and then the entire planet, the views of whose elites as of 2007 bear a surprisingly coincidental resemblance to those held at Harvard in 1945. But I digress.)"

05:39:08 asciilifeform: turdatron - n

05:39:09 asciilifeform: o

05:39:16 Dimsler: mircea_popescu, LOL i know

05:39:21 asciilifeform: it also ate my mail

05:39:21 Dimsler: a very amusing analogy

05:39:27 asciilifeform: without even a squeak.

05:39:48 asciilifeform: turdatron == jurov's www patch submission gizmo

05:39:52 asciilifeform: on therealbitcoin.org

05:40:09 mircea_popescu: decimation incidentally, for all the idiots who imagine (well, wish to believe, and so do believe) that b-a is "a cult" or that well designed, self-centered cultures do not prevail irl...

05:40:12 asciilifeform: well anyway, i'm back to putting patches on my site

05:40:25 mircea_popescu: the sad fact of the matter is that ONLY THEY DO. and the current libertardism of the us was exactly b-a back in the 70s.

05:40:26 asciilifeform: ifuckinghatethis.tgz <<<<<<< universal deterministic builder for bitcoind

05:40:34 decimation: asciilifeform: lol

05:40:35 asciilifeform: for any machine you like that has gcc

05:40:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16474 @ 0.00040604 = 6.6891 BTC [+]

05:40:50 asciilifeform: instructions inside. safe if used as prescribed.

05:40:57 Dimsler: excuse my ignorance but what is b-a?

05:41:00 decimation: mircea_popescu: absolutely, the 'harvard elite' are very much a cult that happens to be in fashion

05:41:01 mircea_popescu: this.

05:41:13 Apocalyptic: ;;search Bridgewater

05:41:14 gribble: There were no matching configuration variables.

05:41:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you going to write a full step by step guide and publish on blog ?

05:41:33 asciilifeform: it's in there!

05:41:44 asciilifeform: it's just a fscking shell script

05:41:45 adlai: mircea_popescu: the problem is that i'm not certain what's the best arrangement. the "fx bot" currently runs on 3 btc/fiat exchanges, but that's not necessarily the best place to run it, and i'm not sure that i'm the best person to handle the "get btc from investors to exchange and back" side of things

05:41:58 mircea_popescu: as it is, it dun exist. has to have rounded corners yo! but anyway! let's do packaging separately.

05:42:01 mircea_popescu: yo danielpbarron you around ?

05:42:02 *: adlai trusts himself with his own money, barely.

05:42:07 asciilifeform: nothing directly to do with the 'pogo' - that's a separate one, that isn't ready to show yet

05:42:18 asciilifeform: this one gives you a bitcoind executable, fully static, for given cpu.

05:42:23 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, ya

05:42:29 asciilifeform: using given turdballs of 'openssl', 'bdb', 'boost'.

05:42:34 asciilifeform: user supplies them.

05:42:46 asciilifeform: oh don't forget the patch.

05:42:48 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron wouldja be willing to package asciilifeform's final pogo stuff into a very detailed, any noob can get it post ?

05:43:13 asciilifeform: this particular script just as easily builds pc unix version of bitcoin

05:43:18 danielpbarron: sure

05:43:20 asciilifeform: just replace the cross-compile gcc with your normal one.

05:43:30 asciilifeform: deterministic build, about 40 minutes later.

05:43:33 asciilifeform: (on my box)

05:43:34 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron drop an address i'll send you a few dollah so you can buy yourself a few pogos to try it all out on.

05:43:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is not the pogo autodeflorator yet

05:43:55 asciilifeform: just gives arm ELF of bitcoin

05:44:01 Apocalyptic: re self-centered cultures, I recently stumbled upon Bridgewater, a hedge fund that mainstream media often described as "a cult". It shares several concepts with b-a

05:44:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know. im prepping your packager so you don't have to do it yourself.

05:44:02 asciilifeform: can run on any armv5 box running a unix.

05:44:07 asciilifeform: danke mircea_popescu

05:44:22 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic write it up ? got a blog ?

05:44:33 asciilifeform: anyone with exotic cpu he wants to try, is invited to replace the armv5 cross-gcc with his

05:44:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^ and his pdp

05:44:45 asciilifeform: or what it was

05:45:09 mircea_popescu: adlai you gotta man up at *some* point.

05:45:12 asciilifeform: 60 lines of sh.

05:45:19 asciilifeform: dear glub. why this did not exist before.

05:45:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform answer obvious, skipping.

05:45:40 asciilifeform: l0l aha

05:45:56 asciilifeform: i was gonna post my armv5 elf

05:46:01 asciilifeform: but realized that me tree's out of date

05:46:10 asciilifeform: not even the bdb locks patch

05:46:20 Apocalyptic: mircea, nope. Maybe some qntra writers will find it worth an article

05:46:30 asciilifeform: (why? see thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#994353 )

05:46:30 assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 00:49:36; asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000031.html <<<< gpg: BAD signature from "mod6 (mod6) <modsix@gmail.com>

05:46:42 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When hardware replaces pile cooked by fucking NetPG will try. Worst BSD experience ever. Would not lament painful demise of NetBSD devs responsible for that abortion.

05:47:00 decimation: asciilifeform: your sigs check out

05:47:22 asciilifeform: ty decimation

05:47:27 asciilifeform: now somebody fire it.

05:47:45 asciilifeform: oh

05:47:50 asciilifeform: probably should explain patch

05:48:29 asciilifeform: 1) nixed zlib. it isn't used in bitcoin! it was demanded by demented fucktarded 'boost' > 1.53, iirc (won't even let you cut it off)

05:48:57 decimation: i remember that dep. hell

05:48:59 asciilifeform: 2) added c++03 flag, my crosscompiler spewed chunder without it

05:49:18 asciilifeform: 3) added missing stdint header include in util.h. how it worked without it? ask satoshi not me

05:49:22 asciilifeform: that's all.

05:49:44 asciilifeform: end product should be 'bitcoind' in bitcoin/src, stripped

05:49:46 decimation: I had to do that to make it build on openbsd

05:49:47 asciilifeform: for your cpu.

05:49:54 decimation: too lazy to build patch sorry :(

05:51:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if memory serves it worked by "ignore missing deps" flag at compile time lol

05:51:35 asciilifeform: and i suppose by assuming a 32bit mysteryturd for the type.

05:51:49 mircea_popescu: why not.

05:51:51 mircea_popescu: wcpgw

05:52:10 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "rewarded with private profits while the losses are socialize eliminating risk"

05:52:24 BingoBoingo: Dammit

05:52:53 mircea_popescu: "First, the bitcoin social economy is bound to be typified by chronic deflation. Secondly, we have already seen the rise of a bitcoin aristocracy (a term ?coined? by Greek blogger @techiechan) which, besides the issues of distributive justice which it raises"

05:52:58 mircea_popescu: distributive justice ? seriously ?

05:53:01 asciilifeform: btw that thing is running on me pogo now.

05:53:04 mircea_popescu: distributively juice my cock.

05:53:08 asciilifeform: grabbing bloxx

05:53:11 mircea_popescu: yay!

05:53:20 BingoBoingo: fxd

05:53:46 decimation: asciilifeform: I imagine the pogo is slow as balls

05:53:52 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo " can indeed wield the power of capital thwart assaults on " < to.

05:54:09 mircea_popescu: decimation asciilifeform only q is, does it take less than 10 mins per block.

05:54:20 BingoBoingo: Now now, apparently distributive justice is a concept white people who redefine queer to no longer mean gay take seriouslu

05:54:25 asciilifeform: decimation: model name : Feroceon 88FR131 rev 1 (v5l)

05:54:25 asciilifeform: BogoMIPS : 795.44

05:54:30 asciilifeform: (/proc/cpuinfo)

05:54:36 asciilifeform: for what it's worth.

05:54:43 decimation: that's actually not too bad

05:54:56 mircea_popescu: feroceon ?! ahahaha great name.

05:55:08 BingoBoingo: fxd pt 2

05:55:30 adlai: mircea_popescu: scalpl has existed for less than a year. puberty rarely starts in less than a decade. by this metric, i'm optimistic!

05:55:44 mircea_popescu: adlai alrighty.

05:55:46 decimation: what does cat /proc/timer_list | grep resolution return?

05:55:56 mircea_popescu: ^ yeah me 2.

05:56:10 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo.asc.txt

05:56:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1iFy0 )

05:56:34 asciilifeform: blocheit 1416

05:56:48 *: adlai is not looking for a lump sum right now / yet. "scalpl is an experiment"

05:56:53 asciilifeform: decimation: .resolution: 1 nsecs

05:57:05 decimation: interesting, they must have some kind of functional timer

05:57:13 asciilifeform: decimation: prolly tick counter

05:57:16 asciilifeform: like everybody else.

05:57:19 decimation: aye

05:57:20 mircea_popescu: that must be a fake

05:57:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu see above

05:57:39 decimation: yeah it's not really able to measure 1 ns with precision

05:57:49 mircea_popescu: yea k

05:57:50 asciilifeform: oscillator drift

05:58:00 asciilifeform: your cpu pll is not a scientific instrument, lol

05:58:22 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2014#762924

05:58:22 assbot: Logged on 20-07-2014 23:47:17; asciilifeform: likewise - perhaps there is no need to point this out, but the linux/bsd kernel is also not a scientific instrument.

05:58:39 mircea_popescu: "The reason that money is and can only be political is that the only way of steering a course between the Scylla and Charybdis of dangerous ponzi growth and stagnation is to exercise a degree of rational, collective control over the supply of money. And since this control is bound to be political, in the sense that different monetary policies will affect different groups of people differently, the only decent manner in

05:58:39 mircea_popescu: which such control can be exercised is through a democratic, collective agency."

05:58:41 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha o lordy.

05:58:44 asciilifeform: (if don't know, learn where the x GHz clock comes from. pll multiplicator of an ordinary quartz! compounded error)

05:59:01 mircea_popescu: a) "stagnation" is not the ultimate evil. that fake dilemma. b) seriously, the only "decent" way ?

05:59:13 mircea_popescu: line up and skirts over head bitches, there's no decency in sight.

05:59:15 mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 check plz ? << i don't see anything in the mailing list

05:59:26 asciilifeform: mod6: i sent it

05:59:28 asciilifeform: it ate it

05:59:43 asciilifeform: naturally, nothing came out other end.

05:59:48 mod6: yeah. it ate that one of mine too. its hungry.

06:00:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo " in that is discards the organized theft and poverty cultured by socialism" << in that is discards the organized theft and the poverty cultured by socialism. if you enumerate gotta keep all elements in the same degree of articledness.

06:00:58 mircea_popescu: "organized theft and poverty as cultured by sociaism" perhaps a lither, more fuckable version.

06:01:00 decimation: mircea_popescu: of course, if such a person would spew such nonsense to many kings of yore he would be hanging from a tree

06:01:05 BingoBoingo: fxd 3

06:01:07 mircea_popescu: decimation not so.

06:01:13 asciilifeform: after 1900 blox, ram is half full

06:01:27 mircea_popescu: on average, the profession of vizier scores a hair under the profession of mendicant popular medic.

06:01:45 BingoBoingo: fxd 4

06:01:53 asciilifeform: wat even is this

06:02:33 decimation: mircea_popescu: that's a good point, gotta have the court jester to keep things lively

06:03:06 mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin is apolitical except to the extent it by the harsh realities of mathematics and actual economics finds itself in opposition to all forms of socialism." << "Bitcoin is apolitical, yet by the harsh realities of mathematics and actual economics it necessarily finds itself in opposition to all forms of socialism. Which, arguably, are apolitical as well, inasmuch as politics is about the polis not the utopia."

06:03:23 mircea_popescu: essentially, bitcoin is apolitical AND areligious.

06:03:54 decimation: of course, one can see why the priests would feel threatened

06:04:03 mircea_popescu: a religion that likes to call itself political because out of historical accident it replaced yahveh with something identical but called "reason" for no good reason is realy butthurt at this

06:04:58 mircea_popescu: anyway, still great article, hitting the mark. qntra can only go to moon from here.

06:05:23 asciilifeform: oh before i forget

06:05:34 BingoBoingo: fxd 5, deviant from suggestion

06:05:41 asciilifeform: that thing needs to piss debug.log to rs232 console, not disk

06:06:03 asciilifeform: (now we have our first fork of the fork, whoopee)

06:06:11 mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/0a69f71f07be6948d17bc1b8eac711a9/tumblr_mgybi1ruLj1rycl0co1_1280.jpg great titjob is great.

06:06:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1k4F0 )

06:06:22 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Opaque grammar version still appears to have hooked massive traction on the socialitard media.

06:06:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fork of fork ?

06:06:36 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo coo.

06:06:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. toy computer needs a little bit of own variant

06:06:58 asciilifeform: for maximum ribbed pleasure

06:07:03 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=qntra.net&src=typd

06:07:05 assbot: qntra.net - Twitter Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1kcEj )

06:07:28 mircea_popescu: lol

06:07:54 BingoBoingo: Barret brown piece on the order for tommorow. Bitcoin Magazine piece... eventually... Not like it is going anywhere

06:07:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that chain reminds instantly of the chains in public parks to keep folks off lawn

06:08:09 decimation: !http://www.northjersey.com/mobile/news/business/american-airlines-interested-in-offering-flights-to-cuba-1.1259365

06:08:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they still do that in the us ?!

06:08:21 asciilifeform: no.

06:08:27 asciilifeform: i never saw it in usa.

06:08:28 mircea_popescu: prolly should put some pics up from sanity land oiver here. everyone's barefoot in the grass for lunch.

06:08:40 mircea_popescu: ah kk

06:08:58 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nice stuff.

06:08:58 decimation: mircea_popescu: no, around asciilifeform they use 6 ft diameter concrete 'planters' to act as 'subtle' car barriers

06:09:24 asciilifeform: decimation: lately they skimp, and use gigantic plastic simulacra of these, in neon colours, filled with rancid rainwater

06:09:51 decimation: even our security theater is made of plastic these days

06:10:01 mircea_popescu: maybe they progress to dildos soon

06:10:13 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

06:10:14 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 256.09, Best ask: 257.18, Bid-ask spread: 1.09000, Last trade: 255.99, 24 hour volume: 15905.86238738, 24 hour low: 243.1, 24 hour high: 267.72, 24 hour vwap: 257.153636816

06:10:19 mircea_popescu: heh srsly ?

06:10:23 asciilifeform: discount plastic dildo

06:13:03 decimation: they have those too: http://www.barriersdirect.co.uk/bollards-c1022/plastic-bollards-traffic-cones-c1113

06:13:05 assbot: Plastic Bollards | Plastic Traffic Bollards | Removable Plastic Bollards ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1l9N2 )

06:13:43 BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twlrx/localbitcoinscom_compromised_bitcoins_stolen/co39nea

06:13:45 assbot: ButterNubber comments on LocalBitcoins.com Compromised, Bitcoins Stolen ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1liA0 )

06:13:51 decimation: with that I bid good evening gentlemen

06:13:54 decimation: !down decimation

06:14:43 BingoBoingo: http://www.barriersdirect.co.uk/bollards-c1022/stainless-steel-bollards-c1026/stainless-steel-bollards-mitred-welded-cap-p4595

06:14:44 assbot: Stainless Steel Bollards Mitred Welded Cap. · Barriers Direct ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1lrnb )

06:14:56 asciilifeform: oh elf shows as 'dynamic', because http://pastebin.com/MswHdRyg

06:14:57 assbot: $ armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-readelf -d -t bitcoind There are 28 section - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1lsr0 )

06:15:24 asciilifeform: for a minute i almost thought it was all a waste of time.

06:15:38 mod6: http://pastebin.com/MswHdRyg

06:15:39 assbot: $ armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-readelf -d -t bitcoind There are 28 section - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1lz68 )

06:15:47 mod6: f

06:15:49 mod6: sorry

06:17:25 asciilifeform: blockheight=2892, memory is 90 percent full.

06:17:27 asciilifeform: soon dies.

06:17:43 asciilifeform: 3324 rather

06:18:02 asciilifeform: anyone still awake who gives a fuck ?

06:18:09 asciilifeform: i'ma leave it go

06:18:10 mod6: yeah

06:18:17 mod6: just let it run

06:18:30 mod6: that's what it does though, chews up ram

06:18:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let it go, what. see what happens if it's unattended till tomorrow.

06:18:52 asciilifeform: world's smallest bitcoin node possible.

06:18:57 mod6: and you're on like a 128mb pogo or w/e right?

06:19:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it will do exactly what planned, oomkill itself

06:19:11 asciilifeform: mod6 aha

06:19:11 mircea_popescu: and restart ?

06:19:12 asciilifeform: aha

06:19:15 mircea_popescu: so let it go.

06:19:19 asciilifeform: what i said, ye

06:19:25 asciilifeform: loop, loop.

06:19:29 mod6: aight. anyway gl!

06:19:29 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/560321172760715264

06:19:30 assbot: It's 2015, and we can't even resolve DNS without accidentally executing code :(

06:19:32 mircea_popescu: come back in 24 hour sor w/e you have time, see how far it got.

06:19:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amen.

06:19:53 asciilifeform: i'm still mindfucking over that it weights only 4m

06:19:58 asciilifeform: *weighs

06:20:00 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mind too pickled to make trigger decisions atm

06:20:04 mircea_popescu: no dude. it's about right.

06:20:23 mircea_popescu: once people start coding with a view to coding, rather than being massive flaming cockidiots.

06:20:34 asciilifeform: most of the 4m is crud incidentally

06:20:41 mircea_popescu: exactly.

06:21:08 TheNewDeal: !down TheNEwDeal

06:21:15 BingoBoingo: Inevitable consequence of RISC CISC hybrid created for high performance on some tasks and failure otherwise

06:21:27 asciilifeform: i should like to hear tomorrow that one of you folks built it

06:21:29 asciilifeform: and it ran

06:21:38 asciilifeform: doesn't get any easier than this

06:22:15 mircea_popescu: !up happyfr0gg

06:22:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we see what danielpbarron sez

06:22:25 mircea_popescu: !up tripleslash

06:22:31 mircea_popescu: tripleslash gotta use your reg'd name.

06:22:32 tripleslash: fucking bots

06:22:35 tripleslash: gay

06:22:37 mircea_popescu: no u

06:22:41 tripleslash: urmom

06:22:47 mircea_popescu: clearly.

06:23:13 tripleslash: some things aren't meant to be.

06:23:23 mircea_popescu: lmao this suggests a new insult for the chronically whiteknighting libertard warrior.

06:23:30 mircea_popescu: "did your mom have oyu with another woman or something ?"

06:23:56 tripleslash: "so which is it: did you have two momrs or two dads?"

06:24:04 *: BingoBoingo still reels over 2015 college definition of queer including MP

06:24:13 mircea_popescu: "and which one was the llama"

06:24:14 tripleslash: ;;ud queer

06:24:15 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=queer | queer: Originally pejorative for gay, now being reclaimed by some gay men, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered persons as a self-affirming umbrella term.

06:24:28 mircea_popescu: queer was never fucking pejorative wtf.

06:24:33 BingoBoingo: Because now everything but man with singular wife and children is queer

06:24:51 tripleslash: I'd argue man with singular wife and children is queer.

06:25:27 mircea_popescu: well either queer or not very bright.

06:25:52 BingoBoingo: tripleslash: I spent this past weekend in an IRL version of reddit. If you are brave enough next year can pass the deets.

06:26:18 BingoBoingo: !up happyfr0gg

06:26:34 tripleslash: BingoBoingo, never.

06:26:44 mircea_popescu: !up happyfr0gg

06:26:51 tripleslash: !down

06:26:56 tripleslash: !down tripleslash

06:26:56 mircea_popescu: lol

06:27:04 BingoBoingo: !up tripleslash

06:27:16 BingoBoingo: tripleslash: Free live minstrel shows...

06:27:26 tripleslash: !ud minstrel

06:28:02 tripleslash: damn, I was hoping it was being reclaimed from its original perjorative form

06:28:48 mircea_popescu: minstrel was pejorative ?

06:28:52 mircea_popescu: wtf is next, woman ?

06:28:52 BingoBoingo: tripleslash: No, literally educated black college students acting out old songs from the south for the entertainment of white people

06:29:07 asciilifeform: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/26/us-charges-alleged-russian-spies-new-york << loltronic

06:29:09 assbot: US charges Russian 'spies' suspected of trying to recruit New Yorkers | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1nHdZ )

06:29:12 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Everything is pejoative

06:29:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform again that one /

06:29:31 asciilifeform: obligarory preet!

06:29:49 mircea_popescu: didn't they just embarass themselves with the "high tech" capture of some slut on vacation and half a dozen steeds, last year ?

06:29:55 asciilifeform: aha.

06:30:01 asciilifeform: or rather, '09

06:31:38 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015-info/evgeny-buryakov/evgeny-buryakov.htm << him

06:31:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1o8Fe )

06:31:47 mircea_popescu: nono, was another one

06:31:54 asciilifeform: no that's today's.

06:32:05 asciilifeform: woman - was called 'chapman'

06:32:10 asciilifeform: (i forget actual name)

06:33:02 BingoBoingo: Ironically Anna Chapman resembles local family named Chapman I grew up with. Father was chess coach. Inexplicably bad at playing for his knowledge of the game.

06:33:12 asciilifeform: 'Podobny explicitly states in a recorded phonecall that he works for the SVR, and even expresses their disappointment that spycraft was not what they dreamed of. Podobny told his colleague, ?The fact that I?m sitting with a cookie right now at the ? chief enemy spot. Fuck! Not one point of what I thought then, not even close.?'

06:33:34 mircea_popescu: wait so this is a rehash ?

06:33:34 asciilifeform: ru intends to match usa at the 'let's pretend to be cretins' olympics.

06:33:45 asciilifeform: sorta rehash

06:33:47 asciilifeform: with new faces

06:34:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol right. so damning, that.

06:34:29 mircea_popescu: "some derp told tall tales on the phone!! TO A WOMAN!"

06:34:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35478 @ 0.00039431 = 13.9893 BTC [-] {2}

06:38:30 asciilifeform: blockheight=4623, mem=86% full (odd), no kill yet

06:38:47 asciilifeform: presumably there was some caching in the mix

06:38:51 mircea_popescu: it'll get raped later on as the chain complexifies.

06:39:00 asciilifeform: (figure was total ram usage, incl. os, not process per se)

06:39:03 asciilifeform: and yes it will.

06:39:05 *: asciilifeform to bed

06:39:18 danielpbarron: it's only at 5k so far?

06:40:03 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: bottleneck right now is disk

06:40:07 asciilifeform: i ran it off sd card

06:40:28 asciilifeform: will try with actual drive later

06:40:41 asciilifeform: (the one in the photo)

06:40:42 danielpbarron: ah

06:42:16 BingoBoingo: Mega lol The turk is to pay the jew, on the price of the day, twenty oca of prime pastrami, which he ate ; and the jew to pay the turk twenty lire, for having tricked him giving a sack of clothes that held no clothes, but pastrami, and not proper sheep pastrami, but jew pastrami.

06:42:23 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/mFytet5 << that one

06:42:24 assbot: test - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1q0xK )

06:42:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00038911 = 9.9223 BTC [-]

06:43:10 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i so love that story :D

06:43:50 BingoBoingo: That was a great one.

06:45:19 *: BingoBoingo also working on a comment to the Godfather fraudsters.

06:45:55 *: BingoBoingo is sure the Godfather is not an Italian work, but a middle western greek tragedy

06:47:11 danielpbarron: is this the thing? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006I5MKZY/

06:47:13 assbot: Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1qPXq )

06:47:17 BingoBoingo: Hinges on Puzo knowing he was making trash of pulp, but making pulp that was flattering and salable to hollywood

06:47:39 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Appears so

06:48:17 danielpbarron: and it needs a hard drive too?

06:48:20 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron exact model discussed at length in teh logs, search for pogo.

06:48:23 BingoBoingo: "Sold by National Liquidation" is not an encouraging sign

06:52:06 BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2txty4/greece_taps_antibitcoin_video_game_economist_as/

06:52:08 assbot: Greece Taps Anti-Bitcoin Video Game Economist as Finance Minister : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEWBfU )

06:52:24 mircea_popescu: murderin dat social moedia ?

06:54:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.00040395 = 20.2783 BTC [+]

06:55:09 BingoBoingo: Workin on it.

06:55:24 BingoBoingo: If it isn't in the WoT it is fair game.

06:58:49 BingoBoingo: Mega lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twtc5/greeces_new_finance_minister_not_a_fan_of_btc/co353z9

06:58:51 assbot: KoKansei comments on Greece's new finance minister NOT a fan of BTC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1sLiH )

06:59:52 BingoBoingo: Oh we have uno fan who is not a part of SMHOWA https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twtc5/greeces_new_finance_minister_not_a_fan_of_btc/co30tnn

06:59:54 assbot: xcsler comments on Greece's new finance minister NOT a fan of BTC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1sVq9 )

07:00:03 BingoBoingo: *Social Media Holy War

07:03:05 BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twtc5/greeces_new_finance_minister_not_a_fan_of_btc/co346hw

07:03:07 assbot: sgornick comments on Greece's new finance minister NOT a fan of BTC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1tq3x )

07:04:41 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/cd22a46b683e80889ffce500ce436b3c/tumblr_mndu4jdOJ51sqjeuuo1_500.jpg

07:04:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1tCjk )

07:04:45 BingoBoingo: Speak of the devil. A socialized losses incident https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938765.0

07:04:46 assbot: 796 lost 1,000 bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1tCzS )

07:07:10 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo reminds one of the entire cryptostocks / vcx debacle.

07:08:07 mircea_popescu: "why you can't invest with [insert random website]". http://fraudsters.com/2013/why-you-cant-invest-with-cryptostocks/

07:08:07 assbot: Why you can't invest with Cryptostocks pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1u8xM )

07:08:14 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think hanbot was still on Bitcointalk long enough to shit on them. Basically the same deal except explicitly Chinese.

07:08:21 mircea_popescu: yeah i recall them.

07:10:03 mircea_popescu: " I wanted and needed the information in its "natural raw" state and in as comprehensive a volume as it was practical for me to make full use of it. But the most important thing about this move was to guard against the chance of intelligence being used to influence or to lead the President into unwise decisions?and I thought it was necessary that the President do his own thinking and evaluating."

07:10:10 mircea_popescu: seems pretty reasonable decimation

07:10:12 mircea_popescu: oh he left.

07:11:36 *: BingoBoingo remembers 796 being birthed around the Time MPOE options bot still ran and Ars technical dregged the bottom of the ocean to write on every Bitcoin options exchange except MPOE/MPEx

07:12:06 mircea_popescu: just aboot.

07:12:07 pete_dushenski: you should send ars a letter

07:12:37 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: you actually don't need any to have fun :D << this is how nubs got into silkscreening, too :D

07:12:40 pete_dushenski: "hey guise, i just noticed something funny and i know you're gonna laugh at this too"

07:13:04 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'll wait until Ars fires their second bullet at GAW at least.

07:13:34 pete_dushenski: if they make it that long

07:13:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage. << this is correct. much like "ideal woman" that one wouldn't actually suffer in practice.

07:13:38 pete_dushenski: why wait?

07:14:04 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski pay them a visit, maybe. letter... just goes to recyclew.

07:14:32 pete_dushenski: there are creative ways to send letter to make sure they get read

07:14:44 pete_dushenski: taking down their front page and posting, for one

07:15:10 mircea_popescu: this proposes they're that important.

07:16:06 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski> taking down their front page and posting, for one << Not my kind of mischeif

07:16:24 pete_dushenski: lol really not saying it is

07:16:38 pete_dushenski: either important or BingoBoingo's kind of mischief

07:16:52 pete_dushenski: The yuan overtook Canada’s dollar to rank fifth for use in global payments, bolstering the case for the International Monetary Fund to endorse it as a reserve currency.

07:17:07 pete_dushenski: ^o no poor cad

07:17:07 mircea_popescu: afaik the chinese do not wish this.

07:17:18 pete_dushenski: because?

07:17:33 BingoBoingo: Now if sponsored I would happily take a crap on their front stoop. As Cartman offers, that is the best way to get an undesirable neighbor to leave.

07:17:59 mircea_popescu: well because they kinda like having the export and the local currencies separate.

07:18:08 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: pretty sure you can pay someone to do that with btc now

07:18:08 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Because the Chicoms need to export, because employment and socialism.

07:18:19 mircea_popescu: like, imagine you were married to an idiot, but she got a special scrip you issued, no dollars.

07:18:23 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Lacks the same satisfaction.

07:18:24 mircea_popescu: suddenly sustainable marriage.

07:19:17 pete_dushenski: sounds quite reasonable

07:19:38 mircea_popescu: moldysnizz: I've accepted my new identiy as the snizz < so get in the assbot wot then

07:19:41 pete_dushenski: why don't other countries pursue this? lack of domestic consumption?

07:19:48 mircea_popescu: lack of sufficient size.

07:20:09 mircea_popescu: the us is trying to hack something like this together, with a bevy of capital control laws.

07:21:07 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Anyway the GAW story was one of the first cazalla used to propel qntra to relevance. Like in the BFL case Ars is going to have to accept they abided a thing until their declaration of scam was entirely irrelevant.

07:21:31 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, they'll go right into the abyss claiming it never happened.

07:22:03 BingoBoingo: Maybe as the editorial line. Perhaps 3 can be saved from there.

07:22:14 mircea_popescu: maybe.

07:22:33 mircea_popescu: in any case, the fed didn't go "mp sunk gavin's idiocy and with that our last hope to subvert bitcoin"

07:22:42 mircea_popescu: instead, it went "something something something derp"

07:23:04 pete_dushenski: The People’s Bank of China will promote yuan internationalization in an orderly way this year, according to a Jan. 20 statement published on its website. << just tawk then?

07:23:21 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski ah no, just me being out of date.

07:23:38 mircea_popescu: apparently they are moving it into position to support the shanghai union.

07:23:57 pete_dushenski: shanghai union?

07:24:08 mircea_popescu: that could as well read "the pbc will promote orderly dismantling of the unioted states starting 2015"

07:24:16 pete_dushenski: lol

07:24:24 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski yes, they created a thing with the russians and iran and india and everyone.

07:24:42 mircea_popescu: (except japan, korea etc)

07:24:43 pete_dushenski: o that thing, their baby-imf

07:24:51 pete_dushenski: south africa was in that too

07:24:51 mircea_popescu: yup.

07:24:56 mircea_popescu: yup

07:25:12 *: BingoBoingo misses the idea of Rhodesia

07:25:20 mircea_popescu: imo nz/au will be the worst hit.

07:25:34 mircea_popescu: mostly because japan's so thoroughly fucked.

07:26:02 pete_dushenski: huh interesting. but it seems like aus has plenty of opportunity to pivot to china

07:26:20 *: pete_dushenski doesn't know diddly about nz economy

07:26:24 mircea_popescu: nope, none whatsoever.

07:26:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1146 @ 0.00105732 = 1.2117 BTC [-] {22}

07:26:34 mircea_popescu: they're monolinguistic, and stuck i nthe wrong language.

07:26:39 BingoBoingo: AUS went to far firstest on the minimum wage thing

07:27:06 pete_dushenski: ya $19 or w/e is zany

07:27:25 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the language is a good point

07:27:36 mircea_popescu: nz (and to a lesser degree aus) are choked by this monopoliust position on real estate

07:27:42 mircea_popescu: rents insanely high, developments burdensome.

07:28:27 pete_dushenski: sandstone isn't cheap to work with i gues

07:28:50 mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk

07:28:52 BingoBoingo: US for its faults at least has faults. Can break into mircostates.

07:29:07 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: totally

07:29:31 mircea_popescu: !b 2

07:29:32 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3ARDS0D.txt )

07:29:33 pete_dushenski: and i love the quizzical look that people give me when i suggest precisely that

07:29:33 mircea_popescu: aptly put

07:30:04 pete_dushenski: phillipsjk: heya mr. coliseum

07:30:13 phillipsjk: OK, I have a 40GB packet capture ready if I get DDOS'ed.

07:30:15 BingoBoingo: I do though seriously mean mirco over micro. Very similar, just poverty makes the distance too much.

07:30:26 phillipsjk: Hi pete.

07:30:36 phillipsjk: ..nothing yet.

07:31:07 BingoBoingo: phillipsjk: The hostile DDoS bot is nothing if not unreliable.

07:31:31 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: how is poverty dealt with differently in mircostates?

07:31:53 phillipsjk: Apparently they attacked my while I was sleeping last night :P

07:32:22 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I lack a crystal ball, but when I say poverty makes the distance too much I mean people are walking their commutes.

07:32:44 mircea_popescu: "So it is inevitable that a deal will be struck by August 2, because that deal doesn't actually mean anything. This a is husband and wife arguing about rebalancing the household budget, each pretending they aren't going to pay the electric until he's agreed to cut back on beer and she's agreed not to be such a bitch. Whether they do it or not is irrelevant, the electric's still getting paid. The electric always gets

07:32:44 mircea_popescu: paid, it has to, we need it for the chairs.

07:32:44 mircea_popescu: Not to mention that no politician wants to be remembered as the guy who made his constituency go unpaid. Public choice theory will save you by August 2, even as it wrecks you all the other times.

07:32:45 mircea_popescu: So when you get the temporary reprieve tomorrow-- and it is temporary-- you should do whatever you have to to get off the dole; you are getting off of it anyway.

07:32:48 mircea_popescu: Because one of these days we won't be able to even make the minimum monthly payment, and, keeping to the household budget analogy, in those circumstances what happens isn't that the family goes bankrupt, what happens is that the couple gets divorced. Pray on this."

07:32:52 mircea_popescu: ballas on teh same topic

07:33:03 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: oh so like europeans

07:33:33 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: No, like Lincoln. Europeans have places to stop inbetween the places they walk.

07:35:25 *: pete_dushenski digests

07:35:26 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: New Salem to Springfield. Multiple times a week.

07:37:05 mircea_popescu: decimation: re: glibc bug << was this an ulrich drepperism? << quite likely.

07:37:14 mircea_popescu: seems an excellent way to expose a tor server.

07:37:47 mircea_popescu: having the bug silently fixed put it in the best possible world : the people upstream done with it, the people downstream unlike to ever have it.

07:38:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: roaches don't particularly care if you know that you have roaches. << then why do they take so much care to avoid the light ?

07:38:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00040395 = 3.9991 BTC [+]

07:39:20 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Imma sleep now, but contemplate 20 miles. Just about as long as one can reasonably walk in a day on flat land. About as far as a group can reasonably defend as a border without submitting to a Kyriarch.

07:39:58 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: bon soir dude. nice writing today

07:40:13 BingoBoingo: "The New Salem Experience

07:40:13 BingoBoingo: Lincoln's New Salem State Historic Site, about 2 miles South of Petersburg and

07:40:13 BingoBoingo: about 20 miles Northwest of Springfield, is a reconstruction of the village where

07:40:13 BingoBoingo: Abraham Lincoln spent his early adulthood. The six years Lincoln spent in New

07:40:13 BingoBoingo: Salem formed a turning point in his career. Although he never owned a home here,

07:40:13 BingoBoingo: Lincoln was engaged in a variety of activities while he was at New Salem. He

07:40:15 BingoBoingo: clerked in a store, split rails, enlisted in the Black Hawk War, served as postmaster

07:40:17 BingoBoingo: and deputy surveyor, failed in business, and was elected to the Illinois General

07:40:19 BingoBoingo: Assembly in 1834 and 1836 after an unsuccessful try in 1832."

07:40:33 BingoBoingo: Lincoln, fucking hobo

07:40:56 BingoBoingo: Also prototype for the modern suburban commuter.

07:41:31 mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/343e8c4c5eac54cfd8ef70cc3a7eee7e/tumblr_movxtn87Vz1rmcr76o1_500.jpg have some booties.

07:41:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMtcN7 )

07:42:13 mircea_popescu: "But they still served the shit. Don't blame the mice when you find them in your kitchen. Place the person who invited the mice by spreading crumbs. If you have a platform and incorporate a third party element into it you are responsible for whatever harm that element brings.

07:42:14 mircea_popescu: In Bitcoin this responsibility is based not in law, but fact. LocalBitcoins chose to fart on their plates and some of their weaker customers who trusted them are now ill. It doesn't matter where what was served was contaminated, but that LocalBitcoins served poison. Yes the consumers ought to have known better, but in the future knowing better means escewing a venue that sells turds as sausages on the virtue of both be

07:42:14 mircea_popescu: ing cylinders."

07:42:17 mircea_popescu: dude this guy rocks. who's he ?

07:42:22 mircea_popescu: "ButterNubber"

07:44:09 mats: this sounds suspiciously like asciilifeform

07:44:26 mats: i think we may have a #b-a reader on our hands

07:44:36 mircea_popescu: i liked teh prose.

07:46:45 mircea_popescu: course eschew takes an extra h

07:47:24 mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986364

07:47:24 assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 18:50:39; asciilifeform: turd is not a substitute for sausage, despite the topological similarities.

07:47:42 mircea_popescu: aham

07:47:54 mircea_popescu: and turd is a reasonably rare usage

07:49:39 mircea_popescu: !up cardigm

07:50:40 mats: nah, i browsed the post history. definitely a reader.

07:50:49 *: mircea_popescu waves

07:54:40 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: anybody here play/have played poker at casinos frequently? << if you mean irl, and not the retarded usg run stuff, then yes. http://fraudsters.com/2010/high-society/

07:54:40 assbot: High society pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMu7gJ )

07:54:44 mircea_popescu: days b4 bitcoin.

07:56:26 pete_dushenski: same here, it so happens

07:56:34 pete_dushenski: spent most of undergrad at the card table

07:56:59 adlai: infantile as it is, sometimes fortune favors the bold, and scalpl does beautiful shit like http://i.imgur.com/2WBFwjy.png

07:57:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMuibY )

07:57:17 pete_dushenski: we even renamed our library, the cameron library, "the cameron casino" because that's pretty much all we did

07:57:22 pete_dushenski: about a dozen of us

07:57:37 pete_dushenski: one guy is on the pro tour now

07:57:39 mircea_popescu: adlai not readily obvious what your retarded semi tractor trailer theree is :D

07:57:44 mircea_popescu: did it mostly win on volatility ?

07:58:30 adlai: that is some winning on volatility, i'd even say that it nearly perfectly pwned that hour of trading... now let's get the other 23

07:59:39 mircea_popescu: you know most bots fail through over engineering.

08:00:34 adlai: s/ engineer/fitt/

08:01:30 adlai: which is why i'm not using any sort of support vector neural network kernelized perceptron mumbo jumbo

08:01:53 mircea_popescu: aha

08:03:34 adlai: "Overfitting generally occurs when a model is excessively complex" << my model currently consists of: the order book, the trades, my balance, my trades. can't get simpler than this, although that also means that any change gets closer to "excessively complex"

08:04:03 mircea_popescu: ahahaha "menimist"

08:04:03 mircea_popescu: lmao

08:05:04 mircea_popescu: http://www.mommyish.com/2014/11/11/menimist-twitter-hashtag/2/

08:05:06 assbot: If You're Participating In #MenimistTwitter, You're An Ass ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMv8oZ )

08:05:12 mircea_popescu: "i am on the internet and can't write out asshole"

08:06:43 mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's fucking unfortunate that the rabid imbeciles misidentifying themselves as "feminists" can't see the breastfeeding in public thing as anything but "war on porn".

08:07:35 mircea_popescu: i'm all in favour of both. "oh but mp, what if being useful only reinforces how we're really objects"

08:07:53 mircea_popescu: well... your fear of being an object has nothing to do with either breastfeeding, porn or the public.

08:08:12 mircea_popescu: it's the little guy in your head telling you you're an idiot. which you probably are. read and think more, hashtag less, it'll go away.

08:08:26 adlai: all self-identifying feminists whom i know irl have loud vocal problems with anybody who so much as looks at a woman breastfeeding in public

08:08:35 adlai: i guess they just don't take to twitter

08:08:53 mircea_popescu: are these feminists lactating ?

08:08:54 adlai: then again, seeing a twitter shitfest go down irl is much more amusing :D

08:09:35 adlai: the breastfeeder is not necessarily a feminist, although doing so in public might boost the base rate

08:09:55 mircea_popescu: so tell teh confused girle "mp says you're stupid, go suck a cock like you mean it"

08:11:39 adlai: how dare you call my mom stupid

08:12:04 pete_dushenski: !b 2

08:12:04 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/008TDEK.txt )

08:12:31 pete_dushenski: i kinda hope adlai isn't even kidding

08:12:31 mircea_popescu: wait, your " all self-identifying feminists whom i know irl " == "my mom" ?!

08:13:25 adlai: let's examine the contrapositive: "a self-identifying feminist who is not my mom, will not be hung around long enough to guage her response to a publicly breastfeeding woman"

08:14:07 mircea_popescu: but you realise your jewish mother's reaction to your handling of exposed random tits

08:14:11 mircea_popescu: has jack shit to do with feminism.

08:15:10 adlai: empowerment! equality!

08:15:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00042042 = 8.3664 BTC [+]

08:15:52 mircea_popescu: amnyway, you should make a point of sexually challenging your mother. keeps her young.

08:17:12 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/560333010491277312

08:17:14 assbot: 65% of people use the same password everywhere http://t.co/T0ZnMzEUzR

08:17:30 pete_dushenski: ^ "Sorta hard to call them "people" then isn't it? "

08:17:34 *: adlai has no comeback, goes back to emacs

08:20:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00040567 = 8.3771 BTC [-]

08:25:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44035 @ 0.00042392 = 18.6673 BTC [+] {2}

08:39:35 mircea_popescu: https://archive.org/stream/processofgovernm00bent/processofgovernm00bent_djvu.txt

08:39:40 assbot: Full text of "The process of government; a study of social pressures" ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8jnZu )

08:39:40 mircea_popescu: not a bad readd

08:39:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38315 @ 0.00043703 = 16.7448 BTC [+]

08:41:27 mircea_popescu: "But that book was written in 1908. Based on what I've seen on Downton Abbey, things were a lot different then."

08:41:27 mircea_popescu: Well, yes, obviously, there had just been a massive leap forward in technology and industrialization, a booming economy fueling a wealth gap, temporarily course corrected by a financial panic "precipitated" by the failure of two overspeculating brokerage houses. There were also, simultaneously, great advances in progressive causes like worker's rights and food quality, all on the background of decreasing importance of

08:41:27 mircea_popescu: religion among educated whites in favor of science. Not physics or chemistry, but evolution. Tabloids were incomprehensibly popular, partisan media the norm. A loosening of conventional morality manifested as bored promiscuity, female bisexuality, and a flood of new porn the likes of which never existed before.

08:41:30 mircea_popescu: "That does sound different. And awesome. What did their Millennial kids inherit, what did they experience over their adult lives, say 1929-1945?"

08:41:33 mircea_popescu: I totally don't know, Boardwalk Empire only goes up to 1924 and Mad Men starts 1960.

08:41:35 mircea_popescu: best write-up of a book ever, too

08:43:01 mircea_popescu: The "independent" demo actually has all the textbook characteristics of a group most susceptible to propaganda, more correctly "pre-propaganda", and by textbook I mean literally Propaganda.

08:43:01 mircea_popescu: They consider themselves leaderless. They can have representatives, they can have "evangelists" but they have to believe that their conclusions are all their own, through individual reflection and objective consideration. Interestingly, and on purpose, they believe their brains can handle such an analysis, any analysis. This isn't arrogance. They are told, by universities and the media, that their mind is prepared t

08:43:01 mircea_popescu: o do this heavy lifting as long as they are given just the right facts, filtered from the "noise." "Where can we get the right facts, in a world of liars?" Good question, maybe the news?

08:43:28 mircea_popescu: even better : call structured societies that are immune to both the media and the issues it brings "cults" and go back to the charade!

08:44:06 mats: http://techcrunch.com/2015/01/27/apple-just-had-the-biggest-quarterly-earnings-of-any-company-ever/

08:44:07 assbot: Apple Just Had The Most Profitable Quarter Of Any Company Ever | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8kBnu )

08:44:23 mircea_popescu: Commonly, independents have a single personal issue, say gun rights or abortion, but no personal experience with other issues, and lacking any subjective starting point, they therefore believe that ONLY objectivity will give them the truth. The less life experience they have the better; the less they've seen of the world, the fewer people they've argued with (in person, where it is real and has real consequences like p

08:44:23 mircea_popescu: unches), the less frequently their water balloon worldview is tested by people with pins, the more they will cling to the premise that "facts" are what's important. In this way the one personal issue serves as a reference point which the propaganda exploits: "hey, gun advocates, did you know you like low corporate taxes?" I do? "Yes, because the people you hate are for raising them." Consequently, raising corporate

08:44:23 mircea_popescu: taxes is felt like an attack on the Second Amendment. "Liberals! Taking away our rights!"

08:45:02 mircea_popescu: mats i might have to resurect my trading accounts just for this.

08:45:48 pete_dushenski: short all the techs!

08:51:27 mircea_popescu: later!

08:59:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45294 @ 0.00041105 = 18.6181 BTC [-]

08:59:09 mats: i learned not to short heirs to the bezzlar throne some time ago

08:59:45 mats: there i was, thinking TSLA was seriously overvalued at 95 bux a share

09:05:22 pete_dushenski: ouch

09:06:13 pete_dushenski: Oleg Andreev: i thought people reuse passwords because bright and capable engineers haven't come up with a better way yet.

09:09:27 pete_dushenski: me: Let's see, there are password managers for the tech-savvy and pieces of paper for the less tech-savvy. An engineer is me!

09:09:44 pete_dushenski: to say nothing of, y'know, memories

09:10:12 pete_dushenski: "engineers should give us better memories!"

09:10:21 pete_dushenski: actually, that would explain the nootropic fad

09:14:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00040567 = 1.8255 BTC [-]

09:20:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00039711 = 12.6877 BTC [-] {2}

09:42:57 pete_dushenski: !up Vexual

09:43:07 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/28/the-inalienable-rights-railroad/

09:43:09 assbot: The inalienable rights railroad. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMEr8m )

09:43:25 pete_dushenski: and with that, i bid adieu!

09:52:01 Vexual: i do ;ike a train

09:52:19 Vexual: barrelling on thru the night

09:53:25 Vexual: largely unstoppable

09:54:28 fluffypony: quite

09:54:53 Vexual: standard

09:55:23 Vexual: we had australia day recently

09:57:04 Vexual: you're supposed to drink beer

09:57:14 Vexual: fuck that

09:59:09 Vexual: I thought about Israel

10:04:04 Vexual: same sorta buhala

10:05:58 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l0xpkk0yaQ

10:12:33 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK_eQImKnPA

10:17:45 adlai: mats: the key is to remember that the market's average returns will always increase when priced in a well-inflated bezzlar

10:30:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85450 @ 0.00039116 = 33.4246 BTC [-]

10:33:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22693 @ 0.0003893 = 8.8344 BTC [-] {2}

10:37:17 punkman: !up Vexual

10:38:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00038155 = 2.6327 BTC [-]

10:41:13 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0pWejAnLUQ

10:46:21 punkman: what'd you do for australiaday Vexual

10:47:09 Vexual: i tried to remeber that name of that usefull leightweight bitcoin client

10:47:27 Vexual: yjrn i hit it with a hammer

10:47:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00039246 = 13.3436 BTC [+] {2}

10:48:06 Vexual: i had a gew whiskeys after noon

10:49:13 Vexual: i dont suppose you have a holiday for greeks invading greece?

10:49:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95900 @ 0.00039957 = 38.3188 BTC [+] {3}

10:50:07 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cXrEPNvRO8

10:51:05 punkman: http://www.cretapost.gr/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/236478.jpg << there was a bit of dancing

10:51:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpLbN0 )

10:51:52 Vexual: corfu?

10:54:01 Vexual: big tree island?

10:55:17 Vexual: ugg boots is holding a blunt

10:57:07 Vexual: if you've been watching black sails, season two starts to describe captain flint ant the snivelling john silver

10:57:45 punkman: check out the square from diff view http://www.skoutelis-zanon.gr/files/items/4/4/plateia1.jpg

10:57:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zaCnpF )

10:58:18 punkman: those metal sticks will come in useful for the hangings

10:58:21 Vexual: looks hot, where is this?

11:00:46 Vexual: punkman school of architecture

11:03:42 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u6DcnNuIPw

11:11:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33043 @ 0.00041002 = 13.5483 BTC [+]

11:37:39 punkman: !up Vexual

11:38:12 Apocalyptic: for those interested in Bridgewater: http://nymag.com/news/business/wallstreet/ray-dalio-2011-4/

11:38:13 assbot: The Billion-Dollar Aphorisms of Hedge Fund Cult Leader Ray Dalio -- New York Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx2rwf )

11:39:02 Vexual: cool handel

11:40:26 jurov: "rocket-grade helium"

11:40:38 Vexual: its a thing

11:43:17 Vexual: back blocks

11:47:13 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3Jv9fNPjgk here have a snow stoen that never happemmef

11:49:51 jurov: obamastorm

11:52:00 Vexual: uwotnow?

11:52:56 Vexual: http://vimeo.com/61721081

12:02:58 Vexual: !google death proof lap dance

12:03:24 Vexual: !!google death proof lap dance

12:04:31 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiMgtTqKNTc

12:06:36 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-T_F9y6d-o

12:06:41 punkman: https://www.okcoin.com/t-155.html

12:06:44 assbot: OKCoin´s Clawback Update - OKCoin美元交易站 - 最专业的比特币美元交易平台 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx6b0H )

12:08:45 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8bgx2BCcAI7wIA.jpg

12:08:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zXj4mI )

12:10:56 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8Xzd8dCMAAK-ZJ.png

12:10:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zXjsBz )

12:11:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31551 @ 0.00039396 = 12.4298 BTC [-]

12:14:39 punkman: http://www.realfarmacy.com/blamed-for-bee-collapse-monsanto-buys-leading-bee-research-firm/

12:14:41 assbot: Blamed for Bee Collapse, Monsanto Buys Leading Bee Research FirmREALfarmacy.com | Healthy News and Information ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx7fS9 )

12:22:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00040179 = 16.6743 BTC [+] {3}

12:26:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27106 @ 0.0004116 = 11.1568 BTC [+] {2}

12:39:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38255 @ 0.00041254 = 15.7817 BTC [+]

12:39:55 nubbins`: mircea_popescu:nubbins`: you actually don't need any to have fun :D << this is how nubs got into silkscreening, too :D <<< this is actually how i got into most things

12:40:27 nubbins`: "but i don't know electronics" "who cares? here are some jumer cables and a bunch of toys with voice chips"

12:40:33 nubbins`: *jumper

12:41:12 nubbins`: "but i don't know how to smoke" "well, i bet you can suck a smokey milkshake through a marijuana straw!"

12:41:13 nubbins`: etc

12:42:29 nubbins`: mircea_popescu:asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage. << this is correct. much like "ideal woman" that one wouldn't actually suffer in practice. <<< afaik "ideal woman" for most men is a robot with a pussy

12:42:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34195 @ 0.00042096 = 14.3947 BTC [+]

12:43:49 nubbins`: pete_dushenski:why don't other countries pursue this? lack of domestic consumption? <<< becoming the world's largest economy is usually a thing that happens with some level of reluctance, like when it happened with the usa, and later when it happened with china

12:50:16 nubbins`: !up Vexual

12:57:57 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKuiI4OB8W0

12:59:09 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Ww3Ajhr74&feature=youtu.be

12:59:10 assbot: Eyes Wide Shut is a plank - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wAEWNi )

12:59:22 nubbins`: ^ forum tards resorting to producing videos to verify their physical locations

12:59:35 nubbins`: "no way are you in vietnam" "WELL FUCK YOU HERES A VIDEO"

13:04:06 Vexual: ive still got noodles in my beard

13:13:01 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOzdE5OTeVQ

13:24:05 jurov: mod6 asciilifeform your emails were rejected.

13:24:15 jurov: asciilifeform: your key expired

13:24:40 nubbins`: :o

13:24:46 *: nubbins` guffaws

13:25:09 nubbins`: ;:rate alf -1 total noob

13:26:18 jurov: mod6: you did not include clearsigned text. but i consider this a bug,it should allow for text + detached sig only

13:27:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.0004301 = 9.2902 BTC [+]

13:30:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22589 @ 0.00042268 = 9.5479 BTC [-]

13:30:45 jurov: mhm apparently asciilifeform prolonged in december

13:31:55 jurov: gotta referesh my db

13:32:01 jurov: he's always the first one to stumble on problems in my shit

13:36:30 nubbins`: heh

13:48:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00039191 = 9.0531 BTC [-] {2}

13:49:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00040548 = 21.0039 BTC [+] {2}

13:51:49 nubbins`: dat mpoe bot

13:52:50 adlai: wut mpoe bot

13:53:31 nubbins`: wut

13:53:57 nubbins`: sorry, "dem trades executed by humans" o.O

13:53:57 adlai: wut

13:54:20 adlai: wait you mean subhuman nonpersons are allowed to trade on mpex!?

14:11:05 nubbins`: !up diana_coman

14:11:27 diana_coman: thanks nubbins`

14:12:31 jurov: hi diana_coman, you know about the ddos bot? your ip flashed here when you looged in

14:13:48 diana_coman: hi jurov, did it? I had set up the cloak stuff, but possibly it fails to put it on before joining the channel in some situations (such as recovering from a connection drop), hmmm

14:13:57 diana_coman: thanks for pointing it out, I'll check that

14:14:19 nubbins`: np

14:14:38 jurov: adlai: i can admit mpex interface having some elements of turing test

14:14:43 nubbins`: diana_coman i had the same issue, just had my password in the wrong box in my client

14:14:56 jurov: but "not allowed" is too strong

14:15:16 nubbins`: server password instead of "identity password" in textual FWIW

14:15:28 adlai: nickserv instead of sasl ftl

14:15:35 nubbins`: unrelated, i just discovered a large marijuana cigarette in a seldom-used inside pocket of my winter jacket

14:15:47 diana_coman: ah, that might be it, thanks nubbins`

14:15:59 nubbins`: quit & rejoin to test :D

14:16:03 jurov: weed solves errything

14:16:06 jurov: :D

14:16:14 nubbins`: jurov not everything but it sure does take the edge off XD

14:16:23 diana_coman: will do :)

14:16:29 nubbins`: "man, i don't care if this shit is solved or not!"

14:17:38 nubbins`: [10:47:25] diana_coman (~diana_com@unaffiliated/diana-coman/x-8319396) joined the channel.

14:17:47 nubbins`: !up diana_coman

14:17:50 nubbins`: congrats

14:18:41 diana_coman: thanks nubbins` it wasn't that though

14:18:47 diana_coman: the pass was in the right box

14:18:52 nubbins`: o

14:19:14 nubbins`: unrelated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPM_Challenge

14:19:15 assbot: RPM Challenge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1y54svN )

14:19:19 nubbins`: anyone participating this year?

14:19:35 punkman: using SASL should work for leaky cloaks

14:19:39 nubbins`: maybe vexual can get a didgeridoo / koala-ribcage-xylophone setup on the go

14:23:20 nubbins`: we did two last year

14:23:21 nubbins`: http://music.cbc.ca/#!/artists/Dick-Surgery

14:23:22 assbot: CBC Music ... ( http://bit.ly/1y55rMA )

14:23:26 nubbins`: http://music.cbc.ca/#!/artists/Atelier-Bleu

14:23:28 assbot: CBC Music ... ( http://bit.ly/1y55sjz )

14:23:54 nubbins`: AB is probably the more accessible of the two

14:26:27 nubbins`: (for some definition of the word)

14:29:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4052 @ 0.00041357 = 1.6758 BTC [+] {2}

14:30:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16998 @ 0.00044081 = 7.4929 BTC [+] {2}

14:38:18 adlai: nubbins`: http://ottsonic.fanbridge.com/fan_questions/q/1090838/

14:38:19 assbot: Ott - Fan Question: Do you currently smoke weed? And how often? ... ( http://bit.ly/1y58y7o )

14:39:38 adlai: the nerve of this one!: "i can't come to tel aviv for personal reasons, so please meet me in <shithole> and bring cash" at least they're offering a discount but comeon.

14:53:23 nubbins`: heh

15:07:26 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

15:07:26 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00030001 / 0.00038826 / 0.00048081 (1657321 shares, 643.49 BTC), 7D: 0.00030001 / 0.00046574 / 0.00053193 (6351244 shares, 2,958.05 BTC), 30D: 0.00030001 / 0.00053638 / 0.00068113 (36507342 shares, 19,582.03 BTC)

15:07:32 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe

15:07:32 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00044081 BTC [+]

15:07:50 thestringpuller: the war chests are filling

15:07:54 thestringpuller: my god

15:08:00 thestringpuller: GOOD GOD YA'LL

15:09:58 nubbins`: !search war chests

15:09:59 assbot: 7 results for 'war chests' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=war+chests

15:10:44 nubbins`: war chest or shire sauce

15:17:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64300 @ 0.000412 = 26.4916 BTC [-] {2}

15:18:31 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-01-2015#995664 << even coinbr api?

15:18:31 assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 14:16:03; jurov: weed solves errything

15:28:56 thestringpuller: i never new jurov smoked

15:28:58 thestringpuller: awesome :D

15:43:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18269 @ 0.00041637 = 7.6067 BTC [+]

15:45:35 mats: 5:17:44 <+adlai> mats: the key is to remember that the market's average returns will always increase when priced in a well-inflated bezzlar << uh, ok

15:46:24 adlai: to learn of the echo chamber, you must become the echo chamber.

15:48:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47646 @ 0.00041637 = 19.8384 BTC [+]

16:01:11 punkman: "so 2013 glibc fixed a bug, 2014 google found+fixed the same bug https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=364511 … and 2015 qualys found it again.."

16:01:12 assbot: Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1yNuCXQ )

16:01:50 mod6: <+jurov> mod6: you did not include clearsigned text. but i consider this a bug,it should allow for text + detached sig only << ah, ok.

16:02:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, mod6, jurov, ben_vulpes: blockheight 6391 oomkill (and died. forgot to run the loop variant that day)

16:04:14 mod6: no clue. when i ran it on my vm with 128mb of ram, it flew and ran for 12-14 hours before it blew up

16:04:52 asciilifeform: set it up with the loop now.

16:04:58 asciilifeform: will let it run.

16:06:29 asciilifeform: might actually make sense to bake in some perverse replacement memory allocator into this thing

16:06:34 asciilifeform: for hard constraint

16:06:55 asciilifeform: let it exit cleanly rather than waltzing over the db when killed by kernel

16:07:13 asciilifeform: better would be to plug the leaks.

16:10:29 asciilifeform: mod6: how many blocks yours loaded before death ?

16:14:22 mod6: err.. lemme see.

16:16:00 mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2015#989403

16:16:00 assbot: Logged on 23-01-2015 19:34:00; mod6: it easily lasted 12-14 hours. made it up to height=136572

16:19:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21083 @ 0.00043805 = 9.2354 BTC [+]

16:20:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6054 @ 0.0004339 = 2.6268 BTC [-]

16:20:41 asciilifeform: running it on 'sandisk' 60gB ssd now.

16:20:48 asciilifeform: about 15x faster.

16:21:30 asciilifeform: no, 35.

16:24:48 asciilifeform: 16000 & counting

16:38:28 nubbins`: ooo

16:38:41 nubbins`: n

16:38:45 nubbins`: ...b

16:39:08 danielpbarron: asciilifeform, what kind of drive can plug into the pogo? anything that's 2.5 inch sata? or is there a way to use larger drives with a cable?

16:44:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67659 @ 0.00043049 = 29.1265 BTC [-] {5}

16:45:21 TomServo: danielpbarron: I'm guessing you'd need to provide your own power for a 3.5", but don't see why that wouldn't work.

16:47:05 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dude this guy rocks. who's he ? << Maybe a splinter fraction of redditards is finally reading logs

16:49:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 200 @ 0.005701 = 1.1402 BTC [-] {3}

17:05:53 BingoBoingo: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/27/trivial_hole_left_black_phones_open_to_plunder/

17:05:54 assbot: 'Super-secure' BlackPhone pwned by super-silly txt msg bug • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cz56GY )

17:06:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00045914 = 12.1213 BTC [+] {2}

17:07:22 adlai: inb4 orangephone

17:12:15 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: 2.5" sata

17:12:24 asciilifeform: or usb3 into rear jacks

17:12:53 asciilifeform: 104893 blox

17:15:09 punkman: "In response to the drone crash at the White House this week, the Chinese maker of the device that crashed said it is updating its drones to disable them from flying over much of Washington, D.C."

17:15:35 TomServo: heh, "No-fly firmware"

17:20:17 punkman: more on the same theme http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/01/28/382013185/officers-ask-map-app-to-remove-police-tracking

17:20:19 assbot: Officers Ask Map App To Remove Police-Tracking : The Two-Way : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cz7GwN )

17:21:08 danielpbarron: hah, i love that app

17:24:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1691 @ 0.00102669 = 1.7361 BTC [-] {15}

17:25:14 adlai: vehakol betotzeret haaretz!

17:25:38 punkman: http://www.flyingmag.com/technique/accidents/greek-f-16-crash-kills-11-during-nato-exercise

17:25:39 assbot: Greek F-16 Crash Kills 11 During NATO Exercise | Flying Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cz8zoW )

17:26:59 adlai: well that's shitty.

17:27:15 adlai: F-16s are supposed to kill hundreds during NATO operations, not dozens in exercises

17:38:00 danielpbarron: !gettrust NxtChg

17:38:00 assbot: NxtChg is not registered in WoT.

17:38:22 hanbot: BingoBoingo actually it's rather suspect, there being only the one extant link of that bitcoin magazine drama left @ tardstalk.

17:38:58 BingoBoingo: hanbot: Kind of what I was thinking. There just doesn't seem to be much left of it.

17:49:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1101 @ 0.00104599 = 1.1516 BTC [+] {3}

17:54:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00041531 = 7.2679 BTC [-]

18:17:43 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] a deterministic builder of statically linked 0.5.3.xxxxx. for arbitrary cross-compiler. and ran. and turd runs on pogo. << f yeah. share?

18:17:54 *: ben_vulpes may have to declare log bankruptcy, and it's only wednesday!

18:24:30 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: share? << see last night's thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#994978

18:24:30 assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:37:52; asciilifeform: http://loper-os.org/pub/ifuckinghatethis.tgz

18:29:34 ben_vulpes: haw

18:30:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4271 @ 0.00043249 = 1.8472 BTC [+]

18:36:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30951 @ 0.00043249 = 13.386 BTC [+]

18:37:54 asciilifeform: 'blackphone' >> :

18:38:04 asciilifeform: !s zimmerman

18:38:05 assbot: 20 results for 'zimmerman' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zimmerman

18:39:04 asciilifeform: but of course, this place doesn't officially exist, 'no one could have guessed' that z was lowered into pederasty and made usg stooge, etc. never happened because not in 'forbes.'

18:46:46 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

18:46:59 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 244.19, vol: 16928.15134187 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 235.699, vol: 12475.48887 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 242.3, vol: 44508.56374097 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 262.0, vol: 9.37144747 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 242.8717, vol: 171698.44510000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 255.02223, vol: 70.23057819 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 249.502, vol: 107.03334957 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

18:48:16 mircea_popescu: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('

18:48:22 mircea_popescu: innit weird it uses two types of quotes ?!

18:49:04 mircea_popescu: guy walks into a bank : "hold it motherstickers! this is a fuckup!!!!!"

18:49:09 asciilifeform: where? in my turd ?

18:49:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no my bash

18:53:22 TomServo: Update from your friendly waterfall wallet watcher: Remaining balance currently @ 10,295.86675525 BTC after another ~2900 left yesterday.

18:53:32 TomServo: Address is also displaying this odd message:

18:53:38 TomServo: Public Note: Good afternoon! Your help is necessary. My wife has a problem with health, treatment is necessary (we expect a baby). If you have some unnecessary btc or satosh, please, help, we will rejoice any help.

18:54:31 mike_c: TomServo: what's the address again?

18:54:54 TomServo: mike_c: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 - I believe.

18:55:46 mike_c: yeah, that was it. thanks.

18:56:14 trinque: Apocalyptic | trinque, by the way how's deedbot coming along ? << I have been tied up with work the past few days, but not much more to be done. a tweak on the hashing bit to re-hash when an invalid privkey is generated, then the check-confirmations-and-upload cron job.

18:56:33 trinque: I should be wrapped up with irl work earlier today than usual so I think I have some cycles to throw at it.

19:00:27 asciilifeform: 130080

19:03:26 mircea_popescu: nice!

19:04:03 mike_c: snsa going to sell the node in a box?

19:04:14 mike_c: that would be cool

19:05:06 mod6: ascii: good deal!

19:08:31 nubbins`: would buy

19:08:34 mircea_popescu: mike_c giveaway more like it.

19:08:48 nubbins`: slap some thebitcoin.foundation branding on it

19:09:05 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you can make stickers. design some :D

19:09:10 mike_c: the foundation can buy them from snsa and give them away if it wants :)

19:09:30 nubbins`: once i get dimensions & info i'll design packaging, instructions, whole deal

19:09:55 TomServo: I wonder, would there be any interest in developing a companion to the junior woodchuck node?

19:10:04 TomServo: Something along the lines of a freenas build that includes a fullnode, gossipd server, ntp server, #b-a-wot-curated datahaven, or whatever else sounds useful.

19:11:15 mircea_popescu: TomServo might be. but ntp sucks and gossipd don't exist yet.

19:11:17 mircea_popescu: !up berndj

19:11:20 nubbins`: straight up, do this properly & foundation could significantly fill its coffers

19:11:42 mircea_popescu: nubbins` what'd you charge to package an' distribute ?

19:11:47 nubbins`: look at how people foamed over USB asic chips with no roi

19:12:32 nubbins`: prob would not distribute

19:12:43 nubbins`: still have a box full of NSA shirts taking up space as it is 8)

19:13:24 nubbins`: packaging, w/e you feel like spending. standard rates &c. probably a ways off still

19:13:30 nubbins`: but something rustic yet simple

19:13:47 nubbins`: https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3327644/DSC03048.0.jpg

19:13:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzsnJ1 )

19:13:49 nubbins`: ^

19:14:10 mircea_popescu: way i was planning to do this was an equivalent of "show me your tits", ie, buy a router, install it, show proof, get your money back.

19:14:15 mircea_popescu: cheaper, faster and imo more effective.

19:14:34 nubbins`: so like a "$50 with $50 irc-in rebate"

19:14:37 mircea_popescu: yup

19:14:42 nubbins`: nb.

19:14:52 nubbins`: most people would not take the 50 back

19:14:58 mircea_popescu: entirely up to them.

19:15:00 nubbins`: nod

19:15:25 nubbins`: could even use blockchain-based proof

19:15:27 mircea_popescu: but w/e, if you were going to get yourserlf one, get yourself three, give to your gf and your mother, get rebate for the two

19:16:05 nubbins`: unit creates a tx unique to itself, pushes to bc as proof of it firing up

19:16:14 mircea_popescu: anywya, danielpbarron is working on a full length noob guide, online cheaper than on paper

19:16:22 mircea_popescu: i dunno unit can create txn

19:16:33 nubbins`: daemon monitors addresses of distributed units, disburses funds in the form of btc when a unit goes live

19:16:53 asciilifeform: no rng in these machines. literally none.

19:16:58 nubbins`: bake a private key and 0.0001 btc into it.

19:17:30 asciilifeform: can embed canned entropy in the eeprom but obvious caveats.

19:17:35 nubbins`: no doubt

19:17:45 nubbins`: but for the purposes of this -- a pre-loaded one-time-use address

19:18:00 nubbins`: generate offline, w/e

19:18:23 nubbins`: bit more manageable than making people take pictures, upload to imgur, etc etc

19:18:24 mircea_popescu: not so crazy about the privacy implications.

19:18:53 nubbins`: privacy implications in photographing the inside of your home?

19:19:11 nubbins`: i guess we could include instructions on stripping exif data ;p

19:19:14 mircea_popescu: that's inconsequential.

19:19:43 mircea_popescu: understand : naked cunt on the internet, no big deal. your ad tracking cookie in browser ? huge deal.

19:20:31 *: nubbins` gestures helplessly

19:20:32 nubbins`: what

19:23:24 asciilifeform: oomkill/restart cycler works as it ought to.

19:23:36 mircea_popescu: nubbins` ayup.

19:23:48 asciilifeform: (it's simply a 3-line sh)

19:23:49 mircea_popescu: cunts are made to be seen. browsers are made to not be identified.

19:24:34 nubbins`: sending coin is a no-no because it identifies the IP as running a node?

19:25:06 asciilifeform: ip is already screaming 'node!!!' into the night

19:25:14 nubbins`: ^

19:25:22 mats: http://www.black-swift.ru/

19:25:23 assbot: Black Swift - Black Swift ... ( http://bit.ly/1By4jEZ )

19:25:23 nubbins`: this is why i'm having trouble making the leap

19:25:51 asciilifeform: but if you wanted to have any 'wallet' functionality, the thing would have to take rpc commands or equivalent on the lan, but more direly, would need either rng or an embedded one-time pad

19:26:18 nubbins`: you could actually construct the entire transaction before loading it onto the device

19:26:30 nubbins`: and just store the tx

19:26:33 mircea_popescu: mebbe i misunderstand what's being proposed here /

19:26:53 mircea_popescu: nubbins` if whoever buys a unit installs whatever code he wants on it, he can use any address he pleases.

19:27:03 mircea_popescu: !up bitcoin-market68

19:27:05 asciilifeform: some idiot will buy, redeem the reward, and turn in for scrap

19:27:28 nubbins`: some number of idiots will do this no matter what

19:27:35 mircea_popescu: i somehow doubt it, but anyway.

19:27:37 nubbins`: some will produce a photo of their running unit, then scrap it

19:27:40 nubbins`: etc etc

19:27:57 nubbins`: but giving money to people who pop on irc and provide photos of their gear is retarded

19:28:00 nubbins`: actually retarded

19:28:23 nubbins`: however, generating a bunch of signed transactions and loading a single one onto each unit, which the eventual owner may spend or discard as he sees fit...

19:28:30 asciilifeform: i for one do not have an earth-shatteringly clever answer to the conundrum of how to persuade maxint people to buy & plug these in

19:28:53 mircea_popescu: nubbins` but this is an "owner orders unit and loads the code"

19:28:57 nubbins`: you can't persuade people to do something long-term if they don't see a long-term benefit, period.

19:29:08 nubbins`: those who want to keep running their nodes will. those who don't will cash out (or not!) and stop.

19:29:19 mircea_popescu: the long term benefit is a "just keep it powered and you are providing one full node"

19:29:42 asciilifeform: for the motherland (tm)

19:29:51 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: okay, then i'm talking about "nubbins orders 10k units, pre-loads the code, does what he just described, makes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, donates 10% to .foundation, moves to dutch antilles"

19:29:53 trinque: are there any services a derpuser might be able to use within his own network if he has a full node?

19:29:58 trinque: the filesharing thing has always appealed to me

19:30:05 trinque: some bitcoin-telegraph for torrents thing

19:30:06 asciilifeform: conjecture is that there is a set of folks who want to do this, but aren't now because 'i haven't a second pc' or 'fan too loud' ?

19:30:08 mircea_popescu: nubbins` how do you pay for 10k units ?

19:30:23 nubbins`: i'm rich, why the fuck do you think i can sit around here all day?

19:30:24 mircea_popescu: trinque for one thing, you can use it as a proxy for your actual bitcoind

19:30:25 mircea_popescu: much safer.

19:30:39 mircea_popescu: nubbins` so then move to the antiles ?

19:30:55 nubbins`: gross, too hot

19:31:03 mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk

19:31:08 trinque: mircea_popescu: yep that's a good thing

19:31:11 nubbins`: anyway, consider the quantity suitably modified

19:31:28 nubbins`: i wholeheartedly encourage you to ship the devices as you see fit

19:31:32 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know, schemes to grow rich off rebate deals are kinda kramer-esque

19:31:41 mircea_popescu: im not shipping anything

19:31:51 nubbins`: and also toss out the fact that a "ready to go" version will make .foundation more financially independent

19:31:52 phillipsjk: I am sure you all know about the block-size controversy. How harw will it be for the end-user to change the block-size on these units?

19:31:55 mircea_popescu: that's the problem : to have them shipped to a central location and then shipped out trebles the cost

19:31:59 mircea_popescu: let people just buy thjem themselves.

19:32:13 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk impossible.

19:32:18 nubbins`: nod

19:32:30 nubbins`: or do a thing like raspi did, sub it out to the mfg's

19:32:38 mircea_popescu: wut ?

19:32:49 mircea_popescu: i specifically do not wish the purchase tobe identifiable.

19:32:51 asciilifeform: a determined luser could, in principle, rebuild the entire thing with phoundation's turd in place of ours, sure

19:33:02 mircea_popescu: l;et people buy individually, i dont want to ship out a stock of special-diddled machines

19:33:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but he'll hjave to get gavin to sell him some of those magical 10 terrabyte ssd's he has from the future.

19:33:32 nubbins`: hm

19:33:36 mircea_popescu: you know, when the space kept doubling.

19:33:43 nubbins`: so this is essentially a mouser parts list, and a list of instructions?

19:33:44 asciilifeform: idk what you folks had in mind, but what i was making was that one of these can plug with crossover cable into a virginal unit and deflower it.

19:33:55 phillipsjk: asciilifeform, I was thinking, simply modify your code to handle a larger block-size.

19:33:55 mircea_popescu: nubbins` yup

19:33:58 mircea_popescu: so far at any rate.

19:34:11 nubbins`: o.

19:34:11 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk that's not the problem : anyone with half a clue can do the same and make a diff bitcoin static

19:34:16 mircea_popescu: problem is the chain won't fit.

19:34:36 mats: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-27/nobel-prize-winning-economist-says-it-s-time-to-buy-greek-stocks kek

19:34:38 assbot: Nobel Winner Shiller Joins Pimco in Saying Buy Greek Assets - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1By5hks )

19:35:03 mircea_popescu: wait, is his NAME shiller or is bloomberg now owned by s.qntr ?

19:35:22 nubbins`: asciilifeform that's what i pictured too

19:36:00 asciilifeform: idea being, unless you actually want to perform the deterministic build (want pedigreed sources, etc.) you don't need a pc.

19:36:07 nubbins`: yes, precisely

19:36:20 nubbins`: luser can go to walmart and buy one off the shelf, plug it in at home

19:36:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only problem is getting the first unit

19:36:24 asciilifeform: just... breed them.

19:36:50 asciilifeform: first unit - use pc, yes, or borrow from phriend.

19:37:11 mircea_popescu: yeah.

19:37:20 mircea_popescu: i don't want to be shipping these out by hand if i can help it.

19:37:34 phillipsjk: What size SSD are you thinking of using?

19:37:41 asciilifeform: why ship them? so many folks already selling them. just need defloration.

19:37:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. well nubbins` was proposing a packaging etc.

19:38:00 danielpbarron: a 256 should last for 5 years if blocks are 1mb

19:38:13 asciilifeform: no need to buy exotic ssd either. old laptop hdd 64G and above ought to do for a while

19:38:13 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk 256 so far.

19:38:15 *: phillipsjk was planing on buying a new "cheap" SSD every year for his full node.

19:38:52 nubbins`: minimal, but nonetheless

19:38:59 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk i don't think anyone'll be able to beat the "spend a coupla hours having fun with real deal code, then forget about it" deal.

19:39:29 asciilifeform: if one of you wants to print glossy stickers to cover the oem case, with dire warnings re: drive will be formatted, etc. whatever, cardboard boxes, - why not. but this is a luxury

19:41:37 phillipsjk: Yes, I understand the appeal of a "set it and forget it" box. Sometimes, upgrades are kind of forced on users though. My former ISP mailed out a VSDL Modem when the local monopoy stopped supporting the older ADSL modem.

19:42:20 mircea_popescu: you don't plug it into the wall

19:42:24 phillipsjk: Presumably you can mail our "bitcoin box v2" if you become convinced a larger loack-size is needed.

19:42:25 mircea_popescu: you plug it into your current modem

19:42:32 mircea_popescu: nat router, w/e you use

19:42:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3331 @ 0.00043017 = 1.4329 BTC [-]

19:42:41 asciilifeform: phillipsjk: one of the motivations for this particular project is so that no bitcoin user can ever again have an 'upgrade' foisted on him by a phoundation shitgnome.

19:42:52 danielpbarron: can the pogonode be programmed to automount a usb drive, check for signed raw transactions in a text file, and broadcast them?

19:43:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a good idea btw. can it do that much ?

19:43:29 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what's wrong with connecting to the node properly on 8333 and spraying your tx in ?

19:43:40 mircea_popescu: yay. defo.

19:43:50 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron include that bit in the write-up, will be the identification for rebate.

19:44:17 mircea_popescu: !up macklemores_toup

19:44:46 mircea_popescu: dude i like talking things through in here, it's like a mental lens.

19:44:56 danielpbarron: the user might not have an online computer to broadcast from, but does have an offline signing machine

19:45:25 mircea_popescu: just paper wallets, no node whatsoever ?!

19:46:23 phillipsjk: MIcrosoft will want a cut is you use vfat :P

19:46:28 phillipsjk: *if

19:46:53 mircea_popescu: microsoft is not in the wot.

19:47:17 phillipsjk: Unfortunately Mircosoft deliberately broke UDF on hard-drives AKA USB sticks.

19:47:59 mircea_popescu: adaptec's private turd ?

19:48:29 trinque: why use vfat in the first place?

19:48:56 phillipsjk: They require the drive to be partitioned to use UDF. (making the partition cover the whole disk works)

19:50:39 phillipsjk: trinque, because that is the only thing MIcrosoft supports. Therefore every USB stick is pre-formatted with it. I understand you removed Microsoft compatibility from your code anyway.

19:50:48 mircea_popescu: scoopbot -fetch

19:51:09 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl dunno what scoopbot's issue is ?

19:51:09 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:51:10 trinque: phillipsjk: I didn't but yes, they did.

19:51:17 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/apple-first-greatest-biggest-etc/

19:51:18 assbot: Apple : first greatest biggest etc. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsgd2W )

19:52:18 asciilifeform: why are we discussing weird microshit-proprietary filesystems ?

19:52:39 mircea_popescu: part of aculturation process for noobs ?

19:52:55 *: phillipsjk has a habit of going on tangents.

19:54:35 phillipsjk: Just make sure your users know they have to format as ext2 or whatever. (If you implement the plug-in transaction function.)

19:55:12 mircea_popescu: aha

19:55:28 asciilifeform: and wtf, if we're talking about fat16/32, that's in the kernel. mounts trivially

19:55:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of which, i wonder for how many noobs this will eb the first practical contact with a nix machine

19:55:48 mike_c: it should be irrelevant

19:55:51 lobbes: <asciilifeform> no need to buy exotic ssd either. old laptop hdd 64G and above ought to do for a while << vps with same specs should work too, right?

19:56:00 mircea_popescu: but it's a good contact. "WAIT LINUX ALLOWS BITCOIN TO RUN ON ROUTER?!?!?!?!"

19:56:13 mike_c: yeah. it will be cool.

19:56:16 lobbes: mircea_popescu: heh, this will be my first practical contact

19:56:17 asciilifeform: hell knows. incidentally, who's for putting root pw (unique) on a scratch-off stickey on bottom. or, alternatively, send to requester by gpg

19:56:26 mircea_popescu: mike_c we don't have to tell them it was asciilifeform not "linux"

19:56:31 lobbes: mircea_popescu: gotta learn sometime

19:56:31 mike_c: hehe

19:56:40 mircea_popescu: then in a decade they start with the "TIME TO RUN ALF OUT OF THIS FREEDOM MOVEMENT"

19:56:45 mircea_popescu: and we can have a private chuckle

19:56:51 trinque: lol

19:57:08 mircea_popescu: see it's working already.

19:57:14 phillipsjk: asciilifeform, Microsoft has sued companies like tomtom over vfat Pantents (in the US)

19:57:21 asciilifeform: i also admit i have a netbsd variant (experimental) for this machine

19:57:26 mircea_popescu: we're having private chuckle issuance on the basis of future comedy gold revenues.

19:57:28 phillipsjk: *patents

19:57:30 mircea_popescu: the chuckflation.

19:58:23 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk microsoft is not in the wot. it can't sue anyone.

19:58:43 phillipsjk: Oh the whole "bitcoin is sovereign" thing.

19:58:55 mircea_popescu: there you go.

19:59:00 mircea_popescu: not in the wot = no rights.

19:59:09 nubbins`: incidentally, those Teenage Engineering things i linked to re: packaging earlier? They don't even come with a fucking /case/, and people bought them in the tens of thousands when they were announced

19:59:14 nubbins`: backed up til at least april right now

19:59:20 phillipsjk: The Wot is not Bitcoin though.

19:59:49 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/ << see thar

19:59:50 assbot: A complete theory of economics pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsjxLd )

20:01:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so can we get a block count and runtime count so far ?

20:02:35 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo writing up the "dark phone" bug ?

20:02:45 mircea_popescu: or should someone aspiring to qntra publishing do it instead ?

20:03:54 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: hanbot: Kind of what I was thinking. There just doesn't seem to be much left of it. << bitpay silently deleting the dramas ?

20:06:03 trinque: "This is the dawn of a new world." << Inspiring.

20:09:04 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> or should someone aspiring to qntra publishing do it instead ? << leaning towards this, but if interest isn't expressed soon I'll take a break from current writing to do it quickly.

20:09:21 asciilifeform: 135461; (running from zero on new disk since first i logged in today. see log.) 2 oomkills so far

20:09:25 BingoBoingo: !up phillipsjk

20:17:04 asciilifeform: appears to be wedged there. and has been for some time. but this is a build without the db lock patch. (ought to have wedged later, though ?)

20:18:08 asciilifeform: now unwedged. go figure.

20:18:48 davout: ohai

20:20:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3100 @ 0.00093545 = 2.8999 BTC [-] {13}

20:20:34 davout: the first 135461 blocksare probably like ~1% of the total processing that needs to be done before being up to date

20:20:53 davout: curious to see how long/how many oomkills it'll take to catch up

20:22:03 asciilifeform: davout: plan was, iirc, to fill these up with blockchain from parent machine, rather than sync from zero.

20:22:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform time /

20:22:45 mircea_popescu: davout i'd say more like 3ish % but yeah

20:23:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was no particular plan. fill with trusted chain, let it build it up, either way.

20:23:20 mircea_popescu: the building chain process is in fact a decent way to advertise the node.

20:24:15 asciilifeform: ~4 hrs

20:24:27 mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/e37d779218ba44f713254eb00a83799a/tumblr_mono8s5yEL1rjqog4o1_500.jpg

20:24:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1tstMzm )

20:24:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait, it got 135k blocks in 4 hours ?!

20:25:03 asciilifeform: first 135k

20:25:06 mod6: took mine like 12 hours to get that many.

20:25:16 mod6: i had 1 CPU/128Mb ram

20:25:25 asciilifeform: it's on a fat pipe. and presumably got lucky with seed

20:25:29 mod6: ah.

20:25:33 mircea_popescu: impressive!

20:25:35 davout: so i'm not very clear how this gets distributed either, folks order their hardware directly and follow asciilifeform's guide? nothing's really decided yet if i understand correctly

20:25:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but wait, hasn't it been running since yest ?

20:25:58 mircea_popescu: davout something like that. danielpbarron is ready to write a 101 guide

20:26:08 PeterL: mircea_popescu: scoopbot is running, is it not posting new posts?

20:26:20 mircea_popescu: PeterL well it apparently missed one, and didn't respond to fetch

20:26:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995717 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995729

20:26:26 assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 16:04:52; asciilifeform: set it up with the loop now.

20:26:26 assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 16:20:41; asciilifeform: running it on 'sandisk' 60gB ssd now.

20:26:46 mircea_popescu: ah started over. kay.

20:26:56 davout: methinks setting up might not be trivial if one must also import a pre-loaded chain

20:27:08 mircea_popescu: well, i was ready to pronounce it victorious if it did more than 10k blocks / 24 hours, so.

20:27:31 mircea_popescu: one doesn;t have to import a preloaded chain

20:27:32 asciilifeform: davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995906

20:27:32 assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 19:33:44; asciilifeform: idk what you folks had in mind, but what i was making was that one of these can plug with crossover cable into a virginal unit and deflower it.

20:28:05 davout: "one doesn;t have to import a preloaded chain" <<< the getting up to date from scratch time will be interesting

20:28:22 mircea_popescu: apparently its ~ 100 hours or so

20:28:26 asciilifeform: for the record: 3rd oomkill, 136006 blocks, 25 second restart

20:28:39 mircea_popescu: ie, better than bitcoind for most of its history.

20:29:16 davout: if this thing syncs the whole chain in 100 hours that would be pretty incredible

20:29:39 mircea_popescu: even if it takes a month, it's perfectly fine.

20:30:17 davout: also http://cointelegraph.com/news/113383/amsterdam-bitcoin-hackathon-winner-discovers-way-to-remove-confirmations <<< top kek

20:30:18 assbot: Amsterdam Bitcoin Hackathon Winner Discovers Way To Remove Confirmations ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBviKw )

20:30:37 davout: "you just need to deposit some collateral"

20:30:46 mircea_popescu: sooo... any people looking to start a journalistic career ?

20:31:26 mircea_popescu: ". This is less than ideal, especially for some kinds of digital products ? a Netflix-type of service that sells movies on demand, for instance."

20:31:30 mircea_popescu: these people are complete fucking idiots.

20:31:41 mircea_popescu: so... i go to watch a film with netflix, pay in btc. they see the tx and let me watch

20:31:52 mircea_popescu: half hour later, turns out my tx was doublespent. SO THEY TURN IT OFF

20:31:57 mircea_popescu: omfg, i saw half a movie!!1

20:32:05 nubbins`: joke's on them!!!111

20:32:11 mircea_popescu: it's almost as if twitter has formatted an entire generation to not fucking thing.

20:32:14 asciilifeform: 'As such, the funds will automatically be sent back to the user at some point in the future, unless both parties overwrite the transaction before that time.' >>>> obligatory >>>> http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=314

20:32:15 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBvBEY )

20:32:28 mircea_popescu: think*. at all. it's just.... signal processing, zero introspection, they might as well not have memory.

20:33:08 nubbins`: well y'know, give everyone the internet...

20:33:35 mircea_popescu: "This Saturday, in a stylish canal side house in the center of Amsterdam, a team of four hackers who had never met each other before, including two who were using bitcoin for the first time, might have constructed the theoretical groundwork to solve this problem. "

20:33:48 mircea_popescu: and this metastasized cult of the romantic "genius'

20:33:55 mircea_popescu: srsly, "people who had no idea made this" ?

20:34:17 mircea_popescu: how about the fucktards spend six months reading the logs like it's the words of their father, first.

20:34:24 mircea_popescu: o wait. the romantic genius doesn't have a father.

20:34:26 mircea_popescu: he has tuberculosis.

20:35:16 davout: "how about the fucktards spend six months reading the logs like it's the words of their father, first." <<< no. because cult.

20:35:24 mircea_popescu: riiiight.

20:35:46 mircea_popescu: fucking amoebas, the libertard twentysomething.

20:36:54 nubbins`: alf, are you imagining this device as something that plugs in, flashes the router, & is then removed, or an actual node as a device, hanging out of a port on the router?

20:36:56 asciilifeform: not necessary that the amoebas are playing characters, however. they are not running the show, did not write script.

20:37:19 mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's forever on the router dude. that was the spec. for a box to plug into your spare router hole and sit there forevert.

20:37:35 nubbins`: k, i know there was some talk of flashing router firmware as well

20:37:36 mircea_popescu: that same unit can also be used to replicate itself, with crossover cable

20:37:41 mircea_popescu: but this is a perk./

20:37:44 nubbins`: a.

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20:40:12 asciilifeform: nubbins: it is (was originally sold as) a nas box. runs bitcoind now. idea was that it can also jailbreak and reflash a virginal unit of the same type, if plugged into it rather than the net

20:40:23 mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah lol. i recall fluffypony was lookjing for someone to do that. hard work, tough bread.

20:40:58 davout: asciilifeform: i didn't get that part, it's pretty fucking cool

20:41:07 fluffypony: I thought I had someone, he bailed

20:41:16 fluffypony: (and that was with agreement to pay)

20:41:19 nubbins`: oh, i missed that as well.

20:41:23 nubbins`: what's the make/model?

20:41:25 mircea_popescu: davout this thing, started as a casual why not, turned into a fountain of cool. nuts.

20:41:35 mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah. hard to find good help these days eh ?

20:41:44 fluffypony: quite

20:41:57 mircea_popescu: we need slave labour damnit.

20:42:47 asciilifeform: davout: see log:

20:42:55 asciilifeform: !s pogoplug

20:42:56 assbot: 16 results for 'pogoplug' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogoplug

20:43:24 asciilifeform: cheap (qty. 1, ~12 usd sans sata, 18 - with) box sold originally for nas and some 'cloud' bullshit

20:43:50 mircea_popescu: nubbins` which is why shipping etc doesn't make so much sense. just go plunk down twenny for the box at your local shop

20:43:57 nubbins`: nod

20:43:58 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/b8746a519151b0d72d59f40f4e78ba4c/tumblr_mldvclICsu1qfrklho1_500.jpg << teh coy behaviour.

20:43:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsD4v8 )

20:44:13 nubbins`: don't underestimate the premium people are willing to pay for convenience tho

20:44:31 mircea_popescu: notice how both women display it, centered arund the cunt, but the mother has been worked into society towards a slightly more relaxed position of the other end of the spine.

20:44:35 asciilifeform: actually it could make sense if someone were to negotiate a massive bulk discount on the crate of boxes

20:44:52 mircea_popescu: nubbins` don't underestimate the premium we put on people who aren't consumer-broken.

20:44:55 nubbins`: remember those usb block erupters? people would literally pay a $300+ premium if you just put the USB hub, a cable, and the erupters in the same box for them.

20:45:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really, you can get a few bux that way but import the risk you get a special box of special units.

20:45:30 nubbins`: asciilifeform you could probably get 'em branded at the factory with whatever name/logo you wanted

20:45:38 asciilifeform: usb miner was quite another thing from the item here. it promised mega-riches to chumps, and attracted a certain kind of crowd.

20:45:39 mircea_popescu: shit, the usb errupters are a good idea.

20:45:43 nubbins`: asciilifeform true

20:45:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform box takes usb stick doesnt it ?

20:46:23 mircea_popescu: nubbins` nah this won't work. the usb actually steals entropy from pc neh ?

20:46:32 asciilifeform: they take usb (usb3 even.) and at one point in the beginning i almost suggested baking in a miner. but 1) who makes miners reputably 2) it has no rng (see log)

20:46:34 nubbins`: couldn't tell ya

20:46:49 mircea_popescu: yeh right you are asciilifeform

20:46:52 nubbins`: but y'know. this is just adding whistles

20:46:57 mircea_popescu: pretty much yeah

20:47:15 nubbins`: smallest capable size is what you want

20:48:15 nubbins`: if it can be hidden behind something, much more likely to be set up and left running

20:48:39 nubbins`: my router's stuffed behind my stereo in a jumble of wires, for example

20:48:48 nubbins`: i don't have room for a big ol' box

20:50:34 asciilifeform: nubbins: http://imgur.com/mFytet5 << size & shape

20:50:36 assbot: test - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsFGsS )

20:51:21 nubbins`: nb

20:52:14 nubbins`: that's the regular lid on the right?

20:53:49 davout: asciilifeform: http://www.amazon.com/Pogoplug-Series-4-Backup-Device/dp/B006I5MKZY amirite

20:53:51 assbot: Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBz3zE )

20:54:30 nubbins`: dat price

20:54:40 asciilifeform: nubbins: yes, it

20:55:57 nubbins`: and this is the thing you've been testing it on

20:56:02 *: nubbins` blinks, purchases

20:56:05 asciilifeform: aha

20:56:26 davout: asciilifeform: i'm up to date logwise, but it's not really clear to me if i should get some sort of chord, or provision separate sd card/storage

20:56:36 davout: in addition to the thing itself

20:57:27 asciilifeform: davout: i'm testing a replacement firmware (for the internal eeprom) that sees if sata disk is present, and, if not already containing a blockchain, formats it and starts from nil

20:58:28 asciilifeform: davout: the unit presently churning on my desk was booted from sd card - which i was using for testing (final firmware will be a read-only squashfs)

20:59:04 davout: ok, the thing itself doesn't include storage, does it have to be a sata disk, or would a large enough sd be enough?

20:59:22 asciilifeform: davout: sd is slow as fuck

20:59:28 mircea_popescu: and wear prob lems

20:59:31 mircea_popescu: but it may work.

20:59:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was about 35x slower than the sata presently running

21:00:27 davout: ok, if its performance is storage-speed bound i should get a disk with it

21:00:35 asciilifeform: who doesn't have a bag of old laptop drives lying around ?

21:00:43 mircea_popescu: most people lol

21:00:45 davout: lol

21:01:30 davout: "No storage limits and no additional fees when using your own external hard drive" <<< lol, good to know

21:01:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, slower. obviously if a block takes less thna 10 minutes it's still perfectly usable.

21:01:40 asciilifeform: at this point, even most 'civilians' have the bag. just with the disks still in their shells (laptops, that is..)

21:02:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fun fact : 50% of america dreams of but doesn't own and can't afford a laptop.

21:02:02 asciilifeform: the sd will croak reasonably quickly.

21:02:11 mircea_popescu: this is not going into items like, india, chad, etc.

21:02:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've seen hobos with laptop. not uncommon.

21:02:39 mircea_popescu: where you live.

21:02:40 davout: so sd card performance would be acceptable if blockchain pre-loaded

21:02:49 mircea_popescu: davout untested but conceivably.

21:03:06 davout: asciilifeform: just because they stink and hang out all day at starbucks doesn't mean they're actual hobos

21:03:17 mircea_popescu: ^ aptly put.

21:03:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from speaking with some, learned that actual hobos, traditional. but with laptop, because why not? none were born hobo

21:03:56 mircea_popescu: women aren't sluts just because they're dressed in the nude ; derps on tv aren't scientists just because they wear a white lab coat ; stinky hobos at your local starbucks aren't anything other than all the other people in starbucks.

21:04:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because why not ? for the same reason korea why not aircraft carrier, in nucet.

21:04:56 asciilifeform: fella who has no bed, no postbox, one shirt, eats occasional leftovers, sits in restaurants and finishes other folks' drinks - what do you call him?

21:05:09 mircea_popescu: a web entrepreneur

21:05:11 nubbins`: would be nice to use SD as a base option, with the ability to stuff whatever laptop etc drive in there

21:05:12 mircea_popescu: at least in my experience.

21:05:38 asciilifeform: nubbins: use the usb3 jacks. sd simply sucks.

21:05:49 nubbins`: oh, usb, that's right. jeez.

21:05:51 mircea_popescu: ^

21:05:58 nubbins`: one of those tiny little nub (!) ones

21:05:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51449 @ 0.00043056 = 22.1519 BTC [+] {2}

21:06:09 mircea_popescu: even an 8gb should do well

21:06:14 mircea_popescu: i dunno if you can even buy them anymore

21:06:26 asciilifeform: wai wat?! 8g? how

21:06:28 mircea_popescu: and now THERE asciilifeform hjas us: nobody exists without a bag of thumb drives

21:06:33 nubbins`: 8gb usb nub and wifi nub, don't even need to plug it into router. just wall.

21:07:14 asciilifeform: nubbins: deliberately did not pick unit with wifi because now that needs to be configured - and did not plan to give it a ui of any kind (other than the built-in bicolor led)

21:07:15 mircea_popescu: nubbins` wifi means plugged into router ;)

21:07:22 nubbins`: HEH

21:07:27 nubbins`: for some defs of plug!

21:07:37 mircea_popescu: for all of em lol. this guy has no wifi.

21:07:58 nubbins`: too true though. even WPS setup is too much of a burden at this point

21:08:03 davout: how does the blockchain fit in 8gb?

21:08:17 nubbins`: zip it, duh

21:08:19 nubbins`: ;D

21:08:30 mircea_popescu: oh that's right.

21:08:32 mircea_popescu: FINE!

21:08:36 nubbins`: anyway

21:08:43 nubbins`: usb sticks are ~$1/gb

21:08:44 mircea_popescu: i was here in an earlier time, a happier time

21:08:51 nubbins`: suppose it's a 64

21:09:00 nubbins`: still less than $100 for the whole thing, cables and all

21:09:13 davout: $ du -sh blocks --> 34G

21:09:19 mircea_popescu: 28gb atm

21:09:39 davout: the sd card or usb stick is gonna end up costing more than the actual device

21:09:40 davout: :D

21:09:56 mircea_popescu: ayup.

21:10:05 mircea_popescu: because you know, gavin is right and storage is free.

21:10:21 mircea_popescu: (if you use usg "free" storage, "special deal for gavincoin")

21:10:41 davout: it's ok, whatever usb stick i buy self-replicates every year

21:11:01 davout: OKEY DOKEY

21:11:08 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandersen hey derpyshits, where's the economist "experts" when you actually need 'em ?

21:11:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:11:20 nubbins`: wrong sp

21:11:40 mircea_popescu: wtf is it ?

21:11:45 nubbins`: i uh.

21:11:48 nubbins`: andreesen?

21:11:54 nubbins`: ;;google usgavin bitcoin

21:11:55 gribble: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't ...: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/; Bitcoin - Twitter: https://twitter.com/gavinandresen; USGavin, the lolcow pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2014/usgavin-the-lolcow/

21:11:59 nubbins`: andresen

21:12:13 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandresen hey derpyshits, where's the economist "experts" when you actually need 'em ?

21:12:13 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:12:29 mircea_popescu: i hear he has a magic tool to make the usb sticks half price every year or something,

21:12:29 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, here's a rough draft of the blackphone thing http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4q9wt0yr

21:12:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBC8zq )

21:12:39 mircea_popescu: maybe he can sell us some $0.5 / gb sticks.

21:13:09 mircea_popescu: to quote deedee, "do with your magic science or something!"

21:13:58 nubbins`: heh

21:14:02 nubbins`: in fairness, give it a year

21:14:07 nubbins`: and they prolly will be.

21:14:09 BingoBoingo: thanks danielpbarron

21:14:36 mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, tell you what : http://log.b-a.link/?date=28-01-2015#996176

21:14:36 assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 21:06:09; mircea_popescu: even an 8gb should do well

21:14:41 nubbins`: i actually semi-regularly purchase sub-$1/gb sticks as a matter of principle

21:14:45 mircea_popescu: that WAS given a coupla years, now it's 36 gb.

21:14:59 nubbins`: 2 troo

21:15:03 mircea_popescu: and if you do a leetal math, full 1mb blocks...

21:15:24 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 24 * 6 * 365 * 1024**2

21:15:24 gribble: 55113154560

21:15:25 nubbins`: why, that'd eliminate the possibility of cheap, plentiful nodes forever!

21:15:43 mircea_popescu: 55gb a year as we are.

21:15:52 asciilifeform: oomkill, 139007

21:16:19 mats: ;;bc,stats

21:16:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in retrospect, this is without the db fixes ?!

21:16:25 gribble: Current Blocks: 340906 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1813 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 1 hour, 19 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47404309835.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.85585

21:16:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha

21:16:58 mircea_popescu: to quote the immortal pesto... "well that ain't gonna work ?!"

21:17:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00043899 = 7.5506 BTC [+]

21:18:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll patch it as soon as i get a working patcher (see last night's thread)

21:18:15 mircea_popescu: kk

21:18:42 asciilifeform: incidentally - anyone bother to replicate my build yet ?

21:19:18 mats: https://soundcloud.com/freedomfry/freedom-fry-shaky-ground-hey-na-na-na

21:19:19 assbot: Freedom Fry - Shaky Ground (Hey Na Na Na) by freedomfry - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBD9Yy )

21:19:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dun think so.

21:20:06 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: no mention of the evil text message bug?

21:21:48 danielpbarron: isn't that this? -> "A memory corruption vulnerability allowed decryption of private messages to any attacker with the victim's user ID or phone number."

21:22:22 BingoBoingo: Ah, k. I just hoped to see the trigger mentioned.

21:24:05 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: how does "The attacker can trigger the flaw by sending a hostile text message." inserted after that sentence sound.

21:24:57 mod6: asciilifeform: i havent. no clue how to ... 'specially since your email got eaten. and beyond that now all of our testing environments are kaput

21:25:09 mod6: which is another major problem for ben & i

21:25:45 mircea_popescu: jurov you around ?

21:26:00 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, sounds good

21:26:37 TomServo: RE: pogonode, according to an amazon customer "Just tried a 64gb sdxc and no joy. 32gb sdhc OK" if anyone was still considering SD.

21:26:52 danielpbarron: good point; that does make it sound especially bad

21:29:36 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2015/01/blackphone-less-opaque-than-promised/

21:29:37 assbot: BlackPhone Less Opaque Than Promised | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBEOgE )

21:29:38 asciilifeform: sd is just a bitch

21:33:01 xanthyos: :)

21:33:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22379 @ 0.00043011 = 9.6254 BTC [-]

21:34:17 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2015/01/blackphone-less-opaque-than-promised/

21:36:00 jurov: mircea_popescu: just arrived

21:38:41 mircea_popescu: jurov apparerntly there's some issues with the mailing list

21:39:14 jurov: i know, explained in the morning

21:40:04 jurov: but was afk, only now i got gpg to refresh keys so that i can resubmit alf's email

21:41:28 asciilifeform: any thoughts re: the idea of replacing std::allocator in the turd with a pool allocator?

21:41:50 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995721

21:41:50 assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 16:06:55; asciilifeform: let it exit cleanly rather than waltzing over the db when killed by kernel

21:45:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not advanced enough to say.

21:45:53 mircea_popescu: !up t4nk

21:46:21 asciilifeform: it'd be another step closer to planting it on bare metal, also...

21:48:53 mircea_popescu: this is a point huh

21:49:24 asciilifeform: not essential piece, but should be tried, unless somebody plugs leak soon

21:49:40 asciilifeform: as it is, os kills it, and it dies 'with full pants'

21:50:03 jurov: http://btc.yt/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html okay it's here

21:50:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15UXgLV )

21:50:07 davout: asciilifeform: i already got db corrupted a buncha times when not cleanly terminating bitcoind

21:50:30 asciilifeform: ty jurov!

21:50:39 jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html but here the column "signed by" seems utter mess :(

21:50:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15UXoLr )

21:50:45 asciilifeform: davout: hence this idea. it did not come from empty space.

21:50:56 mod6: ah cool, i see it now

21:52:11 davout: asciilifeform: it's the best formulation for somebody unqualified like me to say it's a good idea :-)

22:06:15 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/fun-with-pairs-of-girls/

22:06:52 mircea_popescu: worx now.

22:06:56 mircea_popescu: scoopbot you old perv

22:09:14 asciilifeform: mod6: cat: gpgout.log: No such file or directory

22:09:44 asciilifeform: because, i think, already had keys

22:12:59 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: i'm not sure why willingness or reluctance would have anything to do with becoming the largest economy. china's was the largest for most of the second millenium ad, whether or not anyone had anything to say on the matter

22:13:10 pete_dushenski: it seems to me that it just was

22:13:16 pete_dushenski: just as it just is

22:13:49 pete_dushenski: just as bitcoin will itself underpin a large global economy.

22:14:07 asciilifeform: cat: chicken.sig.log: No such file or directory

22:14:10 pete_dushenski: maybe it wants to, maybe it doesn't, but it will be

22:14:17 asciilifeform: none of the gpg logs end up written

22:14:32 mod6: are you using the one from teh email or the one from the website?

22:14:40 asciilifeform: site

22:15:03 mod6: it should start it's own keyring (.gnupg) dir in the build directory.

22:15:28 mod6: clean it out and then set: FULL_CLEAN=TRUE

22:15:34 asciilifeform: it does, but none of the keys are marked 'trusted', it appears

22:15:50 mod6: Should still end up with "Good Signature"

22:16:03 mircea_popescu: hm

22:16:47 asciilifeform: the gpg logs never happen.

22:17:31 mod6: *shrug*, works for me i guess

22:17:45 mircea_popescu: o.O

22:17:53 mircea_popescu: what's this, the magic website ?!

22:18:05 mod6: I'll take it down.

22:18:13 mod6: YOu'll just have to patch it by hand.

22:18:24 mircea_popescu: but i mean...

22:18:30 nubbins`: you mean, we nice

22:18:37 nubbins`: ;/

22:18:37 mod6: done

22:19:22 BingoBoingo: !b 4

22:19:22 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1WAZCWV.txt )

22:21:52 pete_dushenski: Ha so Gavin. RT @jokeocracy: the unwritten thirteenth Rule for Radicals: the guy demanding ACTION NOW is probably an undercover fed

22:24:15 asciilifeform: !b 1

22:24:17 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XE4HJ7.txt )

22:25:42 mircea_popescu: doh.

22:27:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00043266 = 17.1766 BTC [+] {2}

22:29:24 asciilifeform: 144255 block

22:36:24 mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk

22:36:29 mircea_popescu: get a wot already eh.

22:36:45 phillipsjk: What is the minimum?

22:37:02 mircea_popescu: for what ?

22:37:12 phillipsjk: the bot voicing me

22:37:19 pete_dushenski: l2

22:37:21 mircea_popescu: 1

22:37:33 danielpbarron: the minimum is typing the command; he's already in assbot's l2

22:37:41 mircea_popescu: ah ok

22:37:53 mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot phillipsjk

22:37:53 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/phillipsjk | http://w.b-a.link/user/phillipsjk

22:38:03 mircea_popescu: yeah you pm assbot !up and verify it.

22:38:27 phillipsjk: I guess asking the bot the first time did not work becuase... DDOS

22:39:00 mircea_popescu: possibru

22:50:19 mats: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/01/kobane-beginning-isil-201512782724826681.html

22:50:20 assbot: Kobane: The beginning of the end for ISIL - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1ttnS0M )

22:51:15 mats: kurds took kobane. should be interesting to see if IS gets crushed... but i doubt it

22:59:51 phillipsjk: is there a way to check if assbot has me authed now? (it gave no acknowledgment)

23:00:12 BingoBoingo: !down phillipsjk

23:00:17 BingoBoingo: !up phillipsjk

23:00:26 mod6: asciilifeform: see pm, maybe you can help me debug that thing

23:00:48 BingoBoingo: phillipsjk: Did you decode and reply with !v decryptedstring?

23:01:08 jurov: mod6 i'm on it, too

23:01:43 mod6: thanks jurov

23:01:45 phillipsjk: no, I just gave it the decrypted string

23:03:22 BingoBoingo: phillipsjk: Ah, you have to prefix the string with !v so assbot can keister it.

23:05:17 mircea_popescu: well done.

23:05:33 davout: mazeltov

23:06:47 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/50272c1a00a7d304816b7cd0f7aebedf/tumblr_mnxxa0siTe1rymyzgo1_1280.jpg << who said teh ghetto's a dangerous place ?

23:06:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1tttPe1 )

23:08:59 jurov: is there a command to unescape clearsigned text?

23:09:16 jurov: in the script there are plenty of lines starting with -

23:09:19 jurov: that got mangled

23:10:33 davout: jurov: gpg -d would do that

23:10:34 jurov: mod6 ^

23:11:03 jurov: got it working

23:11:10 davout: iirc that'll output unescaped text to stdout and signature verification result to stderr

23:12:07 mats: http://pando.com/2014/11/10/the-war-nerd-farewell-islamic-state-we-hardly-knew-ye << huh. i had no idea the War Nerd writes for pando now.

23:12:09 assbot: The War Nerd: Farewell Islamic State, we hardly knew ye | PandoDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/15Rk12o )

23:12:11 mircea_popescu: btw, if anyone is stuck waiting for a ghost fix or w/e, not bakcported yet into your distro :

23:12:13 mircea_popescu: size_needed = (sizeof (*host_addr)

23:12:14 mircea_popescu: - + sizeof (*h_addr_ptrs) + strlen (name) + 1);

23:12:14 mircea_popescu: + + sizeof (*h_addr_ptrs)

23:12:14 mircea_popescu: + + sizeof (*h_alias_ptr) + strlen (name) + 1);

23:12:20 mircea_popescu: pretty fucking lulzy too.

23:12:27 mod6: \o/

23:12:28 mod6: thanks mp

23:12:52 mircea_popescu: that's basically it, recompile.

23:12:56 mod6: jurov: that's awesome... and just because im slow... that's inreference to the email issue right?

23:13:31 jurov: mod6 that's about script not working

23:14:12 mod6: oh. weird.

23:14:26 mod6: OH

23:14:29 mod6: ok.. yes.

23:15:10 mod6: i remember now... sorry, too many things flying by me. so yeah, clearsign added all these weird '-' infront of some lines.

23:15:27 mod6: the one that I had linked on the webpage, needs a bit of debugging i think.

23:15:38 jurov: but it won't work anyway, gpg apprently won't create the logfile as requested

23:15:55 jurov: and won't accept relative paths for homedir

23:16:30 mod6: now that is bizzare

23:16:38 jurov: and if pointed to empty homedit, it won't import keys

23:16:42 jurov: *homedir

23:16:48 mod6: so you're saying that this doesn't work: gpg --logger-file alert-snip.sig.log --homedir .gnupg

23:16:54 mod6: (for instance)

23:17:03 mod6: it's gotta be a versioning problem.

23:17:11 mod6: lemme see what I was using...

23:17:30 mod6: root@ip-172-31-10-219:~# gpg --version

23:17:30 mod6: gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.10

23:17:34 mod6: and

23:17:54 jurov: gpg --logger-file gpgout.log --import pubkeys/*.asc << this line

23:18:18 mod6: root@debian-test:/home/mod6# gpg --version

23:18:18 mod6: gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.10

23:18:35 mod6: huh.

23:18:59 jurov: gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.25 << such spawn of evil

23:18:59 mod6: jurov: if you don't mind, what version of gpg are you using

23:19:07 mod6: ahh, ok

23:19:16 mod6: yeah, i think this is an old school thing

23:19:17 *: mod6 looks

23:19:32 jurov: anyway, gonna post my script

23:24:17 mod6: deeeerp

23:24:18 mod6: --log-file file

23:24:19 mod6: --logger-file file Same as --logger-fd, except the logger data is written to file file. Note that --log-file is only implemented for GnuPG-2.

23:30:15 mats: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/01/greek-pm-longer-submit-eu-150128130451453.html

23:30:16 assbot: Greek PM: We will no longer submit to the EU - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1ttDbql )

23:30:22 mats: hohoho

23:31:02 mats: "Our people are suffering and demand respect ... We must bleed to defend their dignity"

23:32:02 mod6: gotta figure out something with this --homedir option

23:34:09 nubbins`: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/16/american-claim-africa-science-jeremiah-heaton-egypt-sudan

23:34:11 assbot: American plans to use 'his' piece of Africa for advancement of science | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/15Rrcrr )

23:34:28 mod6: that one looks to be an option in both branches... so i dunno

23:34:40 mod6: i guess one can set an env var "GNUPGHOME" also

23:34:48 mod6: ill try some different things a bit later. bbiab

23:34:52 nubbins`: this fucking asshole plants a flag in a part of the desert so dry the fucking BEDOUIN don't go there

23:35:09 nubbins`: and dares to mention "innovative agricultural production" as one of his goals

23:35:23 nubbins`: i have no sides

23:36:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00043539 = 9.4697 BTC [+]

23:37:43 jurov: mod6 script fix sent

23:37:59 mats: nubbins`: b-but the jews do ok

23:38:44 nubbins`: if nobody was burning your olive groves to build illegal settlements, you'd be doing ok too

23:38:54 *: nubbins` sets lit match on floor

23:45:02 jurov: mod6, also it left all qt-related files in

23:50:15 *: jurov looks at pruning code in utter disbelief... was thinking that everyone konws the cp --parents trick to copy files named in manifest

23:59:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97750 @ 0.00042924 = 41.9582 BTC [-] {2}